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For a long time everyone worked off the "regen percentage": you get 100% back in 240 seconds with no bonus regen, another 40% with unslotted Health, another 980% with slotted Adrenaline Burst, etc.
This math throws people off: ask 10 guys in Atlas Park if a 30% Regenerative Tissue unique is "good for my character", get 10 different answers. -
The next logical question is "HOW do Stalkers sneak attack and placate inanimate objects?"
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To continue, I think of there being about three levels of IO'ing out:
1) Generics to replace SO's. Slightly to greatly more expensive, depending on how you plan ahead on your shopping; very similar results, only you'll never see a slot "go red" or lose efficiency with IO's.
2) Frankenslotting: grabbing a lot of cheap sets and using them like "mini-hami-os". Two set IOs can give you the rough equivalent of three SO's; I have a mini-guide in my sig if you want details.
3) "Real" set IO's- that is, IO's where you're slotting several of the same set in a given power, such that you get lots of set bonuses and [in some cases] dramatically improved performance. This can be expensive to unbelievably expensive [some builds cost literal billions] and there are potential traps, but you can get a LOT better performance if you do it right.
Feel free to ask questions, I love to see my own name up on the screen.
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Looks like you're getting caught on the downside of the 2XP slope. "Well, they were 50M, now they're selling for 30M, lemme list for 29..." "Now they're 22 million, lemme list for 20..." "Now they're 20. CRAP!"
I've got a lot of bad bets from 2XP that are going through that process currently. At least I can tell myself I'm working on my "burning inf through market fees" project. -
If I wanted to borrow a halo, I'd say "The people who don't know what their stuff is worth are getting a decent price for it anyway. Terribly sorry."
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Quote:Crazy 88s don't swim in influence.
my problem lies with those who do it simply for the sake of swimming in influence
We swim in TEARS.
Having said that, there are two things you're doing wrong:
1) You're the guy on the sidelines yelling at the players. You're not in the game. LaDiva sold me something off-market the other day: it was a fair price. She thought so, I thought so, and you don't get an opinion because it's literally none of your business: the people doing business did not include you.
2) You think there's ONE point of equilibrium, when there are TWO. One is the "buy it nao" price, or close to it; the point where you ratchet your bid up until you buy the lowest item currently for sale. The other is the "Take it away" price: the point where you exactly buy for the highest bid currently out there. Understand this and your stress will disappear.
For items that cost enough to care about, and are in enough supply to move smoothly, the Buy it Nao price is pretty close to the Take It Away price- usually around 20-30% different or 10 million different, whichever is larger. Anything under that isn't worth the market slot or the time to fill it. Anything between those two prices either changes one price, or disappears.
I'm tempted to find the thread where Nethergoat took an item with ZERO supply and ZERO demand and made it a stable niche. He was willing to invest the time and market slots in buying what people otherwise couldn't sell and selling what people couldn't otherwise buy. He made a market, in the financial sense.
That's what marketeers do.
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Quote:Mmm. Delicious bait!Originally Posted by Giant2005
I am not going to quote any post with this response in particular because they are pretty much all about questioning the relevance of the term "dishonorable" so I'll answer them all in this post.
If I want an IO and someone has it listed for 1 mil, awesome. I bid a mil and it is mine.
If I want an IO and someone has it listed for 1 mil and then someone else buys it immediately re-listing it for 10mil, I have to bid 10 mil if I want it. That is 9 million that is taken from my pocket and placed in yours for what service? You provided nothing of value and took my money. What honor could there possibly be in that?
You can justify it to yourself in any way you like, I don't care but don't pretend it is the honorable thing to do.
If all you want is "The level 30 Karma -KB IO that dropped on August 23, at 11:30 AM" then yes, you have to bid 10 million. If you want just ANY level 30 Karma -KB IO, you can bid 1,000,001 and go get a sandwich or log out for the night or something.
As long as you ignore this argument, which has been made at least three times in this thread [once by me], you've got some brass ones when you "suggest [people] look more carefully." -
Giant: Even if I am "buying things cheap and relisting at a significantly higher price" how is that dishonorable? Everyone can see the last 5. If I'm actually getting people to sell to me at my price on a fairly regular basis, my price is going to show up there.
You can either wait a little while and buy for my buy price PLUS ONE INF*, or you can buy it from me now, at my sell price.
I'm giving people a choice. Buy it nao, or wait.
* people DO buy for my bid plus one inf. I don't usually have enough stock to "own" any niche, but when I'm dealing in low-turnover items, I often see something like "55,100,909"; my market signature is 908... -
During 2XP, 30's and 40's sold a lot better than 35s. My guess is a lot of people slot something like "25, SO's; 30, IO's; 40, upgrade IO's; 50, sets." I'm sure it varies by person but you're going to get kind of an averaging effect.
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So. Are we going to admit defeat and move on to the VIP server when it opens? Cause we haven't moved from #15 for a really long time.
... oops, we're up one in the rankings. -
23X was matching me for a while. I should match another billyun and see if he or she will match my matching.
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It seems to me like if you took away the history, more new kids would get taken advantage of by more marketeers. I could be missing something. Anyway, I don't see that as an improvement.
My reasoning, if it's not obvious: There are basically two prices for any item: Sell It Nao and Buy It Nao. The more people are competing in a given market, the closer the prices get; the closer the prices, get, the less people compete in a given market. (It is true that some items sell between the two prices, but most prices are either "sell it for what i can get" or "Buy it for what it costs right now/ pay what most other people did".)
The history is a flag that says to me, "Compete here!" And I do. -
Ukaserex [sp?]:
What's the problem that you have a solution for? Because what I'm seeing is Game Working As Intended.
You gave an example. You gave a solution. You never stated the problem as you saw it and I'm not seeing it. Maybe I've been living in the shark tank too long; explain what you're trying to solve and I'll tell you if I think it's a problem, and if I think your solution will work. -
So I'm going to wrap up my 2XP selling. Results:
WON
Approx. 600 million inf in generic IO's
"Lots" in respecs [maybe a billion? I bought a fair number under 210 and sold them for 300. Also bought/sold a bunch at 215/280+.]
About a billion in purples (considerably less than ten sales)
About 200 million in common salvage (!)
About 300 million "extra" in staple rare IOs that went up by maybe 10 million each (e.g. Numina's H/R or LoTG D/E)
About 300 million in HO's that went up by a LOT (bought for 25, sold for 100)- didn't do much volume.
LOST
I'm eating Market fees on the following predictions:
* Ten of each uncommon salvage listed at a million
* Really big price spikes on Kin Combat and various staple IO's- there was enough supply to cushion the spikes, so nobody ever bought my 90-million-inf Kin Combat Acc/Dam .
* Big price spikes on Pool A's- we didn't ever go through the supply of Karma -KB or Red Fortune D/E . Supply of Regenerating Tissue +Regen actually went UP I think.
Conclusions: the supplementary supply mechanisms have stabilized the market, except for things that don't have much supplementary supply mechanism [purples and respecs]. -
owch.
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Quote:Well,we REACHED #1, we didn't KEEP #1.Originally Posted by Black_Mute
We reached #1 on Virtue and Guardian (solo effort there), but we're in the low 20s on Freedom. Was there another Crazy 88's chapter?
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Oh man, we haven't even finished freedom. We're, like, 20% of the way there. And now JUSTICE? With 300 billion prestige to hit #1?
Freakin' heck. I'd throw two billion at it tonight, if someone else were to start a chapter of the 88s there, but I can't start it myself. Not while we have so many non-#1 chapters everywhere else. -
On the Market forums, generally we consider there to be two different prices for any given item: the "Take it away!" price[list at 1 inf, get highest current bid] and the "Buy it NAO!" price [keep ratcheting up your bid until you get one. ] There are sometimes prices somewhere in the middle, but they tend to cluster around those two prices[1].
The recipe vs. crafted situation is a classic example of this. People who want it NAO buy crafted. Worst case of this I've ever had was the last[2] slot on a L50 corruptor that I was respeccing into my Big Money build. With a day or two of patience it could have been a 450 million inf buy, but I actually ended up paying 751 million.
So people with patience buy recipes and list crafted ,or slot; people with no patience buy crafted and slot.
[1.] Some bunch of competing marketeers sets those prices by "what they're willing to pay" and "what they're willing to sell for." If the spread is big, more marketeers will discover it and creep prices up and down; if the spread is too small, marketeers will give up and go away. I love finding a "buy at 6 million, sell at 30 million" niche, but I always have to find new ones because some other guy starts buying for 10 and selling for 20.
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Alchemical Silvers are used in two of the most commonly slotted generic IO's: Accuracy and Defense. Demand is legitimately high. (Compare: Iron, used for generic damage and four unloved mezzes.) Alch Silver floats these days around 130-200K. If you set the vendor price at 10K, for instance, you'd remove LESS inf from the system than the Went sales and increase inflation MORE.
... of course, buying 93 Alch Silvers, one for each slot, removes under 2 million inf from the game; buying one BoTZ: KB at 30 million removes 3 million inf from the game. This is not The Answer.
Incidentally, just buying-from-table and crafting a L40 Accuracy is about 170K* excluding cost of salvage, so even 150K for ingredients is not totally unreasonable.
*I know, if it's memorized that becomes about 50K. Stay in school, memorize stuff! -
Actually, it's not impossible to spend more than 2 billion per item [see all the threads here on Glad Armor], it's just hugely inconvenient. On the other hand, when you spend 2 billion per item you're destroying 200 million (and lowering prices); when you spend 2.3 billion per item you're destroying zero.
By the way, idea, if you're interested in doing something about the problem, you can look at the Crazy 88s. We burn inf like it's going out of style. -
Three levels of IO'ing. Generic, Frankenslot, and Set-Bonuses.
118M can get you a perfectly good frankenslot build.
Or I can put in a plug for the Market forum, where we will not shut up about our secrets. I could triple 118M in about three days; it might take you a week because of the learning curve.
I don't know the specific Brute for your needs- I have a pretty good Fire/Will in the 30's, but Brutes take about 22 levels before they get rolling. It's a rough start. -
I don't offhand know specific prices for the purples, but I will tell you this: All of those are FAR cheaper on Wents as recipes. I move a few of "those type" of purples a week (2? 5? Depends on week) that I buy around 50M and sell around 150M .
LoTG Def/End at 50 is one of my niches. Before 2XP the recipe was selling for 30-40 and the crafted was generally selling at 50. Servers are down, I can't give you current prices, but I don't think they've moved much. There was a lot of inventory and, if Karma -KBs are anything to go by, inventory only moved down by about 50 items. -
1% more inf, 5 more minutes a day, no special slotting or multiboxing or farmtending or anything like that required. It's probably not worth it for you, but it might be for someone who's not you. It was a decidedly minor side project for me and I was startled that it was getting close in revenue to another of my projects.
Also, if you sold the Glad Shield on market, I commend you for destroying 300MM inf in Wentfees. -
Pleasure as always doing business.
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I don't know what sort of auto-hit there is; I've done a lot of ITFs on force field defenders and the team doesn't take a lot of damage. So the cold shields + medium purples should make a big difference. (Remember: 45% Defense takes 1/4 as many hits as 30% ! Four times tougher! Until you get defense debuffed...)
Also, 60% Res is about where big oranges start to shine; two mediums will get you to 90%. I love the Wentworth's inspiration counter!
If you're really pushed for room in your inspiration tray you can global-mail yourself insps and pick up your mail in midfight.
I was on a team that picked off the Nicti once. I don't remember all the details but it involved staying at snipe/NemStaff range. Somehow they didn't aggro. It worked but I wouldn't try it without a real explanation.