Looking for several Control purples.


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Hi folks.
I'm a long time player trying for the first time to break through my own glass ceiling and progress into the marketing metagame and purpling characters, et cetera.
I'm looking to buy several purple IOs (recipes or enhancements, I don't care which), but I'm hoping to get some at reasonable values, as the Market is in crazy flux right now, apparently from the DXP weekend, and as I said, I'm very new to trying to turn any real numbers of influence around, so I don't have billions to throw around.

I'm currently looking for:

Absolute Amazement: Starting offer of 40m each
Stun/Rech
Acc/Stun/Rech
Acc/Rech
End/Stun

Coercive Persuasion: Starting offer of 30m each
Confuse/Rech
Acc/Confuse/Rech
Acc/Rech
Confuse/End

Unbreakable Restraint: Starting offer of 100m each
Hold/Rech
Hold/Rech/Acc
Rech/Acc

I'm also, in a semi-related note, looking for ((EDIT: PURCHASED: 3 LOTG: Def/End (L50) 8/18/11)) and 4 LOTG: Def (L50) which I will tentatively offer 20m apiece on.

I am willing of course to take counter-offers and negotiate, as I realize I might be setting my offers too low, having never tried to buy into the purple market before.
Thank you all for your time and hopefully business.

Edit: Just as a note, if on the off chance I get a lot of offers in a short amount of time, I may need a bit to collect the influence, but in that admittedly unlikely scenario I will do my best to be prompt.


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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar View Post
I'm also, in a semi-related note, looking for 3 LOTG: Def/End (L50) and 4 LOTG: Def (L50) which I will tentatively offer 20m apiece on.

I am willing of course to take counter-offers and negotiate, as I realize I might be setting my offers too low, having never tried to buy into the purple market before.
Thank you all for your time and hopefully business.
I know little to nothing about the purple market. I rarely buy them and hoard my drops. But I sell LotG Def/Ends and Defs on the market about once or twice a week depending on how the RNG treats me. Prior to double XP they were going for about 50 million and 55 million overnight, respectively. (Mine were, anyway. But I tend to price in round numbers and could probably get a few million more if I didn't.) I imagine buy it now on both is closer to 60 each.

They're common enough that if you're willing to wait a few days you can probably get one for 10-20% less than that from a farmer who wants to turn the slot over fast. My own pricing habits vary a lot, but I've been playing conservative and mostly pricing on pre-double XP levels to take what windfalls come but avoid being left holding the bag when the demand surge subsides. I have enough market slots stuck full of overpriced crap without making it worse.


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I don't offhand know specific prices for the purples, but I will tell you this: All of those are FAR cheaper on Wents as recipes. I move a few of "those type" of purples a week (2? 5? Depends on week) that I buy around 50M and sell around 150M .

LoTG Def/End at 50 is one of my niches. Before 2XP the recipe was selling for 30-40 and the crafted was generally selling at 50. Servers are down, I can't give you current prices, but I don't think they've moved much. There was a lot of inventory and, if Karma -KBs are anything to go by, inventory only moved down by about 50 items.


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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar View Post
I am willing of course to take counter-offers and negotiate, as I realize I might be setting my offers too low
Just a bit.


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best way to get the luck of the gamblers is tip missions and trading in merits for alignment merits, in two days you can get three of them if you do this, they cost 2 merits each.

absolute amazement and coercive persuasion from what i have seen on the market sell for around 50 to 60 million average, from what i have been seeing when i checked that is which isnt all that often myself but they are fairly cheap for purples. the unbreakable constraint i dont know about because i havent checked. i just bought a plus defense lotg for 60 million last night on the market. id say check the market several times a day and then try to put up a offer that is within 10 percent of the going rate and you would probably get some hits simply because anyone selling them at the market are going to pay the 10 percent tax so if you make the offer better than that somebody would probably take you up on it. im trying to purple out a controller right now myself but not working exclusively at it so good luck in getting what you need, those purples can be a pain at times.


 

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Got all the LOTG: Def/End off the market overnight for 20m apiece, edited the original post to reflect this.

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Just a bit.
Commentary aside, if you want to make a counteroffer on anything I'd be happy to hear it.


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Commentary aside, if you want to make a counteroffer on anything I'd be happy to hear it.
You come across as defensive, and I'm not sure why. I may be reading tone into your statement that wasn't intended, but that happens on the internet a lot.

If this works for you, super. I've got bids in on some of those purples you mentioned that are twice what you're offering, and they aren't filling. If it turns out I can buy for a substantially reduced rate by posting lower offers on the forums, that's good information to have.


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Commentary aside, if you want to make a counteroffer on anything I'd be happy to hear it.
Sure I'll bite.

I have the Confuse C/R and the A/R for you in enhancement form (easier to store). I was holding on to them until my elec/thermal troller turned 50 but he is agony to level. Looking at the market, I would expect to sell them for a total of 250mm within a day, but I'll give you the nice face discount ("Hey, you've got a nice face!") and sell them to you for 225mm.


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Originally Posted by EarthWyrm View Post
You come across as defensive, and I'm not sure why. I may be reading tone into your statement that wasn't intended, but that happens on the internet a lot.

If this works for you, super. I've got bids in on some of those purples you mentioned that are twice what you're offering, and they aren't filling. If it turns out I can buy for a substantially reduced rate by posting lower offers on the forums, that's good information to have.
I'm sorry if my post read that way, it wasn't intentionally so at all.

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I have the Confuse C/R and the A/R for you in enhancement form (easier to store). I was holding on to them until my elec/thermal troller turned 50 but he is agony to level. Looking at the market, I would expect to sell them for a total of 250mm within a day, but I'll give you the nice face discount ("Hey, you've got a nice face!") and sell them to you for 225mm.
That sounded high when I first read it, but looking at the market I realize why: I only looked at recipes when I was making my initial offers... there is an enormous price discrepancy between recipes and enhancements (over double for the same slots in some cases). I can't even begin to imagine why since the crafting costs on a bad day will be 8 mil, tops, but, there you have it.

I think it would be mutually beneficial if you were to go ahead and shoot for the best price you can get on Wentworths and I hope to do the same with some low bids on the recipes. Thank you though for the offer.


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On the Market forums, generally we consider there to be two different prices for any given item: the "Take it away!" price[list at 1 inf, get highest current bid] and the "Buy it NAO!" price [keep ratcheting up your bid until you get one. ] There are sometimes prices somewhere in the middle, but they tend to cluster around those two prices[1].
The recipe vs. crafted situation is a classic example of this. People who want it NAO buy crafted. Worst case of this I've ever had was the last[2] slot on a L50 corruptor that I was respeccing into my Big Money build. With a day or two of patience it could have been a 450 million inf buy, but I actually ended up paying 751 million.

So people with patience buy recipes and list crafted ,or slot; people with no patience buy crafted and slot.

[1.] Some bunch of competing marketeers sets those prices by "what they're willing to pay" and "what they're willing to sell for." If the spread is big, more marketeers will discover it and creep prices up and down; if the spread is too small, marketeers will give up and go away. I love finding a "buy at 6 million, sell at 30 million" niche, but I always have to find new ones because some other guy starts buying for 10 and selling for 20.

[2] And then I slotted it in triumph! And realized I had one more thing to buy. ARGH!


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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar View Post
That sounded high when I first read it, but looking at the market I realize why: I only looked at recipes when I was making my initial offers... there is an enormous price discrepancy between recipes and enhancements (over double for the same slots in some cases). I can't even begin to imagine why since the crafting costs on a bad day will be 8 mil, tops, but, there you have it.
I agree that it is a mystery for the ages why enhancements usually trade for significantly more than their component pieces, but they do. that's also generally why there is usually a higher supply of crafted purples than purple recipes available on the market. The prices I quoted you were basically offer-side, and the nice-face discount was for the amount I would save on posting fees (although you really do have a nice face).

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I think it would be mutually beneficial if you were to go ahead and shoot for the best price you can get on Wentworths and I hope to do the same with some low bids on the recipes. Thank you though for the offer.
You're welcome. Oh, no doubt, lowballing recipes is definitely the way for you to go if you have the time to put into it. If you want, I'd be happy to give some advice on bid points that would be likely to fill.


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I'm sorry if my post read that way, it wasn't intentionally so at all.
If there's a need to apologize, it's mine. I've been somewhat high-strung lately, and had actually spent a half-hour or so going back and forth between a market window and your original post trying to come up with a constructive way to do what Yomo seems to have done before giving up and offering my brief Golden Girl-esque original reply.

Sorry I wasn't more helpful.


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You're welcome. Oh, no doubt, lowballing recipes is definitely the way for you to go if you have the time to put into it. If you want, I'd be happy to give some advice on bid points that would be likely to fill.
I would be delighted for any trading tips from someone more experienced than I (which is, sadly, not very).

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If there's a need to apologize, it's mine. I've been somewhat high-strung lately, and had actually spent a half-hour or so going back and forth between a market window and your original post trying to come up with a constructive way to do what Yomo seems to have done before giving up and offering my brief Golden Girl-esque original reply.

Sorry I wasn't more helpful.
Thank you kindly for the attempt, and please don't worry about the misunderstanding - as you said, it happens easily in text-based communications.


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I agree that it is a mystery for the ages why enhancements usually trade for significantly more than their component pieces, but they do.
I really don't think there's much of a mystery to it at all -- it's pure human laziness. I buy pre-crafted virtually always, specifically because I want to grab, slot and go without being bothered to micro-manage my toon to the extent of crafting (I happily craft when selling, however). I think there are a lot of people in that boat -- fake play virtual money that's already incredibly easy to get really doesn't compare to being able to jump right back into the fray sporting your new shiny.


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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar View Post
I'm currently looking for:

Absolute Amazement: Starting offer of 40m each
Stun/Rech
Acc/Stun/Rech
Acc/Rech
End/Stun

Coercive Persuasion: Starting offer of 30m each
Confuse/Rech
Acc/Confuse/Rech
Acc/Rech
Confuse/End

Unbreakable Restraint: Starting offer of 100m each
Hold/Rech
Hold/Rech/Acc
Rech/Acc
as of this post, here are the current market prices for what your looking for:
(listing min and max of the last 5 sales, prices of these fluctuate but are fairly steady)
Absolute Amazement:

Stun/Rech
recipe: min 100 mil, max 150 mil
crafted: min 185 mil, max 270 mil

Acc/Stun/Rech
recipe: min 155 mil, max 201 mil
crafted: min 151 mil, 300 mil

Acc/Rech
recipe: min 100 mil, max 150 mil
crafted: min 200 mil, max 280 mil

End/Stun
recipe: min 160 mil, max 300 mil
crafted: min 240 mil, max 300 mil

i havent checked the other 2 purple sets but i can tell you the unbreakbale constraints are higher than this, the confuse ones might be equal to or slightly lower than this. if i was looking to sell, those are the prices i would aim for


 

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I really don't think there's much of a mystery to it at all -- it's pure human laziness. I buy pre-crafted virtually always, specifically because I want to grab, slot and go without being bothered to micro-manage my toon to the extent of crafting (I happily craft when selling, however). I think there are a lot of people in that boat -- fake play virtual money that's already incredibly easy to get really doesn't compare to being able to jump right back into the fray sporting your new shiny.
I don't quite buy into that argument. I think a lot of people throw it out due to braggadocio ("inf means nothing to me, lol!"), but it it were true, then you would always be buying my sole crafted offerings for whatever price I was selling it at, since it is all play money after all.

To OP, I'm thinking about the best way to do this. I don't want to just give you some numbers to bid (which may not be the best numbers) but I'd rather help you better understand the market process. Let me think about it for a bit!

edit: someone just bought a Confuse/Endurance for 1.3 bn. Sadly it was not mine. Too lazy to post screenshot.


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I don't quite buy into that argument. I think a lot of people throw it out due to braggadocio ("inf means nothing to me, lol!"), but it it were true, then you would always be buying my sole crafted offerings for whatever price I was selling it at, since it is all play money after all.
I can state it as fact, because for me, it is. I didn't say it to boast (nor do I think most do when stating such).

I think for you to extend your argument to "if that were true all my stuff would sell at whatever price I want" is stretching it.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.


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