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  1. So, from your questions, I infer you have Going Rogue.

    1> In CoV (where the Stalker originated), it is indeed a villain, and the tutorial
    is a "Break out of the Zig Prison" scenario.

    However, in Praetoria, you can start with any AT, so a traditional hero or
    villain motif doesn't make as much sense. To me, Praetoria seems mostly
    degrees of evil, regardless of which side you play for. In that setting,
    I'd think of a Stalker as a freelance "fixer" type of role.

    2> with Stalkers (esp before you get AS and Placate), managing aggro is
    the trick to survival. The old adage "Divide & Conquer" is your lifeline. If
    you draw too much aggro, don't be shy about getting out of Dodge - the
    AI will forget about you soon enough. If you're alive, you can always go back.

    3> Praetor Duncan should be on your map (you may need to zoom it in). I
    believe she's in the Main Square of the very First Zone (Nova Praetoria)


    Hope that helps, and welcome to the game.


    Regards,
    4
  2. Personally, I think Placate is a must-take, key power for Stalkers.

    It's not only valuable for the additional AS or crit, but it's also good for aggro
    management and orchestrating a battle (ie. foe sequencing).

    I know of some folks that skipped it, but I've yet to hear a reason that I think
    justifies taking something else instead - all of my stalkers grab it right away.

    YMMV.


    Regards,
    4
  3. For PvE, I typically run with Stealth OFF, using only Hide (saves Endurance).
    So, if you're going to be consistently sticking to PvE, you can skip it.
    Anything that can see you through Hide in PvE can also see you through
    Hide + Stealth (ie. KoA, Rikti Drones, Rularuu Eyeballs etc.).

    That said, if you're going to dabble with PvP at all, then I'd say it's pretty
    much mandatory, and I'd also pick up a Stealth IO as well.

    As far as pleasing teammates, I don't see how Stealth or Super Speed would
    matter to them one way or other. On the other hand, my stalkers don't team
    anyway - don't need 'em, don't want 'em - they just get in the way of the
    targets I'm planning to kill...


    Regards,
    4
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by pyrite View Post
    Yeah, you guys need to get to AND maintain #1 on all servers.
    Well, before we get too far ahead of ourselves, we might want to maintain the
    #1 spot on Virtue for a bit, first, while rebuilding the inf reserves back up...

    After all, a couple days ago we were #7, and I'd imagine that a few of those
    SGs may not take this lying down -- #2, for instance has also gone over
    500M prestige in the past couple days.


    Cheers,
    4
  5. WOW!!! That's pretty much all I got...

    Superlatives simply don't cut it...

    Back on post #492 when we were discussing the Solstice Party, I thought
    that the #6 position was a "realistically attainable" goal. I had NO IDEA
    what you people were actually going to accomplish.

    I'm completely flabbergasted - To paraphrase the legendary Queen of the Blues,
    Koko Taylor, that was one hell of a Wang Dang Doodle we pitched tonight.

    Less than three months ago, the Crazy 88's did not exist.
    Tonight, they're the #1 SG on one of the most populous game servers.

    Un-fricking-believable!

    In total, it took 263.8 Billion Influence to achieve.
    More than 128 Billion of that total was burned in the past 24 hours.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around tonight's accomplishment.

    In the meantime, I promised some pics and here they are:

    #1: http://tinyurl.com/34ajhvj

    Party Shots

    A: http://tinyurl.com/2wj5oh4
    B: http://tinyurl.com/33sw6bk
    C: http://tinyurl.com/32uhhv3


    88'rs, it's an honor to be a part of the group. Not only is the firepit
    keeping Granny warm tonight, but the very thought of what this group
    did may well warm her heart for years to come...


    Regards,
    4


    PS> Granny had planned to burn 1-2 Billion at the party - in actuality,
    she roasted 6.5 Billion, and that doesn't even hold a candle to what
    several of you guys did tonight - Incredible.
  6. FourSpeed

    Inf in storage?

    Like the others, I have to disagree with the gleemail idea for storage.

    I don't know how trusting the "casual gamer" is with his/her inf, but I know,
    for myself, that apart from transfers that I'll claim within an hour of making
    them, I only store 25M in gleemail (for newbie toons) long-term.

    That's probably only 0.1% of my holdings or less.

    As for your other estimates, I think those are way low as well. There are
    more than 230 recipe niches (and, by extension, an equal number of crafteds)
    just for Common IOs.

    I've not counted, but I'd easily guess there are more than 100 recipe niches
    for sets, and a couple significant ones for temps (primarily respecs) and rare
    (or expensive) salvage.

    Given that a fair number of Purples, PvP IOs, and certain premium IO's sell
    for 100M +, I'd envision that the churn on those alone "stores" the 550 Billion
    in your estimate.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see somewhere on the order of 1 Trillion tied up
    in the market at any given time.


    Another thing to consider is new influence. In the past I've estimated
    (conservatively) that anywhere between 1-3 Trillion could be generated
    monthly by the existing player base. That's also a PFA (pulled from @$$)
    estimate, but nobody has offered up any more plausible numbers so far.

    So, where is all that inf being stored?


    Yet a third category (which you may be discounting intentionally for this
    discussion) is hard assets stored in SG bins in the form of crafted IOs and
    salvage - While difficult to guess with precision, I'd certainly expect that
    to be significant amount.


    My gut feeling is that the bulk (say 50-60%) of inf is stored on toons, with
    another 10-20% stored in hard assets, and 10-20% tied up in the market.

    If that market share really is closer to a trillion, and the percentage allocation
    is even close to accurate, we're looking at roughly 10-15 Trillion inf in the
    game presently.

    I have no idea how close that actually is, but I wouldn't be at all surprised
    at that range.


    Regards,
    4
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sardan View Post
    I periodically peek in on this thread to see the 88s' progress. Can someone kindly summarize how much total inf has been burned to date?
    A page or so back, it was in the neighborhood of 134 Billion inf.

    As Goat mentions, today is a big day... Maybe not as big as Festivus
    but in honor of the Winter Solstice, the full Lunar Eclipse, and any other
    occasion that catches our fancy, we're going to stoke the furnace to a
    white hot consistency today and see if we can melt the SG roof.

    Feel free to join us.

    As for an updated count, I'll probably post something tomorrow.


    Cheers,
    4
  8. Happy Winter Solstice Day!

    Quote:
    I jumped the gun a little on the inf. burning and the 88s are now in the 5th spot.
    Hopefully we can reach the 4th spot by this time tomorrow.
    Having just checked the numbers, all I can do is mimic Darth Vader:

    "Impressive, Most impressive..."

    That was quite a contribution.


    Granny will be in and out throughout the day with several 500M contributions
    during the day. Hopefully, she'll be able to meet up with some of you along the way.


    Regards,
    4
  9. Granny has 2.5 Billion sitting in her purse...

    Maybe #5 isn't so far out of reach after all... Here's hoping....


    Regards,
    4
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nethergoat View Post
    Granny's gonna think she woke up in the sauna!
    I'm not seeing the downside here...


    4
  11. I haven't run my Spines/Nin in quite awhile (too many other alts with things to do)

    I have a vague recollection that it simply didn't hit as hard as my NB/Nin, but I'd
    have to dig it out and run a few missions to see if that memory is real or not.


    Regards,
    4

    PS> All of my attacks are slotted 60/90 Acc/Dmg as minimum reqs, so I know
    they're at least softcapped for Acc and hitting ED on Dmg.
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by all_hell View Post
    I keep telling myself, "Every shift ends." If I can just get through these last 11,000 candy canes it'll all be over 'til next year.

    The devs must've decided to let me take a lunch break, calling it 'server maintenance'

    11,000? That's one hell of a sweet tooth you have there...

    4
  13. On my NB/Nin, it's slotted with a couple Acc/Dmg HO's, 3 Gladiator Strikes
    (including the Proc), and a Hecatomb Proc.

    This is a PvP toon, so when I attack, I need it to hit players, and I'd like it to
    hit like a truck when it does.

    On my Elec/WP, it's got a bunch of mid level set IO pieces in it (bonesnap,
    focused Smite, and Bruising Blow). That gives it 68%/92% (Acc/Dmg) and more
    than an SO each of Erdx & Rch in it.

    This one is mostly a PvE toon, with a little PvP tossed in -- it was originally
    created to deal with a griefer or two in a specific zone ... It's as effective as
    it needs to be to handle that purpose and a lot of fun in PvE otherwise...


    Regards,
    4
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by MeanNVicious View Post
    Do you guys know how much total has been invested into the prestige so far ? As in how many billion ?
    Loosely speaking, somewhere around 134-135 Billion inf was burned so far.


    4
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steelclaw View Post
    Ahem...

    We three Kins of this Pug group are...
    Boosting speed; that's all 'least so far...
    Allies shouting
    Tempers mounting
    Stone tanker's got the star...

    OooOOh...
    Tanker's running in slow mo'...
    Sprint is on but he won't go...
    I'm aborting..
    Try teleporting..
    Hours 'til we reach mission goal...

    This FTW! Beautiful.

    4
  16. A few thoughts I'll toss out.

    First, while it's definitely doable, the folks pulling down 1B or more a week are
    doing at least one of a few things.

    A. They're dealing in the real high end stuff - Purples and PvP IOs, and
    they probably have a toon specifically for that.

    B. Farming - PvPIOs, (pre I19's bug), or A-Merits, to obtain high end items
    which they simply sell for big bucks. With A-merits, there are quite a
    number of lucrative items you can convert them into.

    C. A lot of hard work - niches come and go, and folks in this category are
    very attentive to what's selling and what's not, and they're actively updating
    their big picture frequently. Again, in this case, they probably have a
    dedicated toon doing this, and it's pretty time intensive at that level.


    It sounds to me, like you're doing pretty well already, and the key piece in
    that is patience... You might not hit the inf cap in a week or two, but you're
    steadily getting richer in a more sustainable way.

    Unless you really enjoy marketeering for the mini-game's sake, option C
    starts to feel a little (or a lot) bit like work, and after the first few billion,
    why bust your butt? Option B can also be a lot of work, and Option A can
    be much riskier if you don't read the pricing trends well.

    What you're currently doing is Option C Lite, which is an easier and
    sustainable approach, but if you're looking for more, your best bet is to
    ramp that up some.

    That said, one main thing I'd suggest: Diversify (in all senses of the word).

    In the case of the toons you're levelling, focus on one - split his slots 1/2
    for marketeering for his use, and 1/2 for getting the goodies you want.

    On the others you want to improve, make them into marketeers while you're
    focusing on the one guy... Once he's done, make him a marketeer, and pick
    another toon to focus on.

    In other words, diversify the focus and effort on your key toons.

    Next, diversify the niches you work. Once you start getting a bunch of marketeers,
    it gets harder to keep track of what they're doing. Some folks keep spreadsheets.

    On the other hand, I just make each one get their own niche, and work it
    until it stops being profitable. So, for instance, I have a toon that was
    working Regen Tissues, I have a toon that was working Perf Shifters, I
    have a toon that was crafting commons when prices on those were up,
    and I have a couple toons that collect r-merits and a-merits.

    I've found that approach works well for me.

    I hope the info helps you going forward.


    Regards,
    4
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by _23X_ View Post
    OK so big bonfire on the 21st ... how much needs to be burnt to move up a rank or two ?
    Based on a quick look-see by Granny this morning, we're about 16M
    prestige away from the #6 spot, and appx 42M from #5.

    So, #5 might be a bit ambitious to get within the week (unless Fury
    Flechette wants to go on a "10 Billion in a Week" spree, and donate)

    However, the #6 spot is within our grasp for a paltry 8 Billion inf.

    Granny just checked in with her accountants, and she seems confident
    that she could contribute 1-2 Billion towards shiny hats and party favors...

    So, if a few of the other big hitters start feeling festive, and charitable, we
    should be able to celebrate moving into #6 along with the Winter Solstice,
    Christmas, Hanakah, Purpled Warshade Day, or whatever other occasion
    seems appropriate.


    Cheers,
    4
  18. I can't see the build in Mid's atm, but I see several things at a glance that make me seriously wonder about the build.

    In no particular order:

    1> Stealth @ L49 ???

    2> No Stealth IO ??? Given 1 & 2, you will be seen by everyone. Period.

    3> SS and SJ 4-slotted -- really? why?

    4> No additional Perception - Heightened Senses is helpful but more is better.

    5> No Phase - Hibernate is helpful, but you're rooted and visible... GL


    Those are just off the top of my head, but, you couldn't give me this build,
    if it was for PvP... Sorry, it's farm-bait.


    Regards,
    4
  19. FourSpeed

    CoX + Mids

    Quote:
    If Mids were to ever just stop being updated, then maybe the Devs
    will create one, but I doubt the players will ever let that happen.
    In actual fact, the players did let that happen with the Joe Shott planner
    that was available in the very early days, and eventually fell by the wayside.

    Mid's replaced that capability, and so far they've been nothing short of
    dedicated to keeping it going (Thanks Guys!). That said, they've changed
    dev teams for it three times, so far (or more)?

    While it's true that NCsoft has changed multiple times as well over that
    timeframe, the key difference is those guys get paid for their product.

    That brings me to the final point - dev time costs money for NCsoft - if the
    changes are significant, in terms of development effort, they'd have to
    justify them in terms of significant return on the investment. I'm not seeing
    how an in-game planner would meet that criteria, and get built in-game.


    Regards,
    4
  20. My typical bargain sell is at 11. If I listed for 1, I could lose 4 inf. While
    that is nothing, it psychologically rankles me, so at 11 it sells just as fast,
    but I can never get a negative return that way.

    Most recipes I vendor. Most commons pay better there, and most of the
    Pool A & B drops I get usually have dozens for sale and zero bidders - the
    slot is worth far more to me than that.

    For meaningful stuff, I price to sell, but typically at a profit % goal (say
    30-50% counting fees)

    Oh, and for the OP, if you're "flipping", you're trying to buy at the low price,
    and sell at a low enough price for quick turnaround while still making a profit.

    What you're doing, is bargain selling, or dumping... Nothing wrong with that,
    mind you - you get some cash for something you don't want, and somebody
    can get a bargain on something they do want - that's the bread and butter
    of the market... I'm just nitpicking the term "flipping"

    As seebs, mentioned, that isn't a viable strategy for everything because
    different items are worth more than that - if bargain listing was consistent
    for those items, prices would lower over time (which you'd think would be
    good, but it's not), which in turn would lead to shortages and wild price swings.

    So, were that the norm, what you'd see, in fact, is what we recently observed
    with salvage during the AE exploit. Extreme volatility, with times of shortage,
    and skyrocket pricing swings.

    In short, low value things should be plentiful and inexpensive, and high value
    things should be available but pricier, keeping in mind that "value" is really
    a function of player perception.


    Regards,
    4
  21. FourSpeed

    1st for me

    Gratz on the milestone...

    Now you can afford a photographer to do the money-shot up right...


    Cheers,
    4
  22. Like many others, most (all?) of my L50 toons keep 1 -1.5B on hand these
    days, and I also keep 25M or so in gleemail, in case I get the urge to start
    a newbie toon.

    A couple of those 50s are my active marketeers, so their balances fluctuate.

    Most of my actively levelling toons keep ~200 M or so on them for "necessities".

    Any "excess" gets shuffled into Granny's Crazy 88's Investment Portfolio

    Quote:
    Aside from the "store it in a lvl 53 IO" method - are there any other tricks for storing mass volumes of liquid inf ?
    You can store it in gleemail, but I'd consider that risky for significant amounts.
    Another effective idea is storing it in non-winning bids for the big hitter IOs.

    For instance, you could sock away 500M, or a 3 stack of 500M bids on
    the Glad Armor proc. Those would never fill, and if they did, you'd be
    shouting hallelujah from the rooftops...

    The one caveat with stacks is the problem of going over 2B if you tried to
    claim the stack - that's a Bad Thing, so be careful about that and don't
    let a stack get that high (ie. you couldn't re-claim a 10 stack of 500M bids).

    This is the method that I porbably would have used if I hadn't shuffled 14B
    or so over to Granny for the 88's firepit (she catches chill easily)...


    Regards,
    4
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Frogfather View Post
    Holy crap what a great idea. I pledge to burn every piece of liquid inf I own on the Winter Solstice. Im not as liquid as most so its not as big a deal as you might imagine but thats what Im going to do.

    Its probably (just guessing) only about 5 billion or so...I just got done kitting out multiple "end game" builds where I spared no expense, but still thats sounds very catharitic.

    Gonna get to work tonight sending out some ingame emails.

    --Frog
    Hmmmm... I'm nowhere near as altruistic as you guys, but if you're having a
    Christmas Solstice Party of some sort on the 21st, I might be able to part
    with a couple billion for the celebration.

    After all, the #1 spot is less than double what we've done in the past 3 months.


    Regards,
    4
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
    Has anyone checked to see if the #6 group knows we're chasing them, and if they're burning inf to escape?

    (I put a billion in yesterday.)

    ED: let me check with them.
    Speculation Alert:

    I don't know if they're aware (or care) about us catching up to them, but
    based on the numbers I've been keeping, I'd say they're definitely not
    burning inf, since their total prestige change has been less than 1 M since
    11/10 (we moved into #7 around 11/15).

    The group that is currently right behind us looks like they may have done
    some inf burning throughout November to try to keep us from overtaking
    them, but they've stopped doing that since the start of December. Their
    prestige numbers changed by ~30M during Nov, but only by 3.5M since then.

    The prior #6 group looks like they got "motivated" a bit in November also,
    and made a pretty quick jump into the #5 spot ahead of the group we're
    gaining on presently.

    They may be more inclined to try to play "keep away" once we start
    narrowing their cushion down the road a bit.


    Regards,
    4