FourSpeed

I also store inf that way myself (typically 1.8 Billion per slot where I do that).

That said, for folks posting in the Survey Thread, they should also be counting
those as part of their liquid assets, because a single button click can get that value
back out of the market.

The flip-side of that, of course, is while there may well be a couple thousand
bids out there for an item, there's no telling what they're worth (except for our
own).

Clearly those are significant to the inf pool though, and of course, we're purely speculating
in any case. Only the devs could actually get a real number, and the last time
they did that they were off by orders of magnitude.


Regards,
4

I admit it - I lol'd... Well played.


Cheers,
4

While, it's true you could sell items in storage on the market quickly (by listing
at 1), it's equally certain that "value received" for them would also be all over
the map. Conversely, the attempt to get consistent market value for those items
would result in a considerable time penalty waiting for them to actually sell.

So, that is why I'm constraining things to influence on hand, or bids that could
be instantly cancelled for exact and consistent inf value received.

Unlike Intrinsic, I do not believe the term of "liquid" is being misused at all here.

That said, I certainly concede that there is a significant amount of inf tied up
in items stored and items slotted, but gauging actual value for them would be
highly problematic.

So, I hope that clears up the reason for the constraints.

Once again, thanks for your replies to date, and please keep them coming.

Thanks!
4

If he'd only had the Barrier iPower, he might have lived...

Oh well, shucky darn...


4

In my spreadsheet, I've added a few more categories since yesterday, and
it also calculates based on a population field, so it's pretty easy to play with it
(sorry I can't make the sheet itself available - it's on my work computer,
so sharing it is verboten).

In any case, I thought it might be interesting to survey our forum goers (in
this thread) to see if we can get a better idea of what those percentages might
be.

Certainly, there are caveats with using the forum population in lieu of the game's
population, but more data would be helpful, and I'd expect the forum group
to be better informed, and therefore probably wealthier, than the average player.
As noted yesterday, the higher tier categories have a larger effect, so this
informal survey would give us a useful (if incomplete) minimal estimate.

In any case, feel free to participate: I'll tally up the various categories in a few
days and see where that leads.


Cheers,
4


PS> My estimate on the revised sheet is ~161.4 Trillion

For me, my main account is: C
My second account is: F:

Which categories best describe your accounts?


Thanks in Advance,
4


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------------------------- RESULTS ------------------------
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Update as of: Post #174
Accounts: 166
Total Inf: ~2.61 Trillion

Distribution looks like this:

With no disrespect intended to you or the 3 worthies you mention, I suspect
that they're not in the top 5. I'd put them in the top category of wealth certainly,
but I'd think there are dozens (at least), and possibly a few hundred in it.

As I look at this idea, I'd agree with looking at liquid inf, and I defined some
categories of player account-wide wealth (liquid inf), with a few very rich folks, and
a few totally destitute folks and everyone else in the middle.

Playing with that idea some more, I whipped up a quick spreadsheet with those
categories to dabble with. If anything, I think that Fulmens' 100 Trillion is
reasonable, and possibly (probably?) significantly low...

Here's the categories I picked, based upon the (much maligned) 100K playerbase.
The categories are contiguous, and for purposes of estimating account-wide inf
per player, I used the avg of the category they're in, and the boundary of the category
above them (ie, 55B for ppl in category B, 6B for those in C, etc.). except for
category A, where I used the minimum 100B.

If you wanted finer granularity (and narrower inf amounts) you could add further
arbitrary categories to suit:

Certainly, you can tweak those percentages however you like, and some of the
results are interesting. Personally, I'd think that a mere 600 people in the entire
game having more than 10B is probably a bit low, and of course, the 100K population
count itself is always an open topic for debate (a population base of 60K, for instance,
drops the total down to 99.9T).

I think the idea of ~90% of the population (whatever count that turns out to be)
having somewhere between 10M and 2B across their entire account seems pretty
reasonable to me.

Still, if I flip-flop categories D & E, I still come up with ~127.2 Trillion as a result.

I'm less sure that 10,000 are between 2B-10B but I also don't find it ridiculous
either for an entire account.

Categories B & C will have a large effect on the total - going from .5% to 2% in
category B for example (taken from D), boosts the total to almost 250 Trillion (246.4).

Of course, it's all pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't closer
to 300 Trillion inf in-game presently - I'd see 100T as a near minimum.


Regards,
4

QFT. Women ARE a mystery - even Steven Hawking thinks so.

Cheers,
4

Yep. That's the practical TL;DR distillation of market fees.

I wanted to show more of the actual process that occurs with my formula, in the
sense, that when you list something, the fee is charged and taken right then
and there, and when you actually sell, a further fee is also taken.

But, the end result is a total fee that is 10% of Sales Price, paid in two separate
transaction steps.


Regards,
4

I think the formula you want is: E = SP - (LP * .05) - ((SP *.1) - (LP *.05))

Regards,
4


PS> Also keep in mind that there is a minimum listing fee of 5, so Earning
can actually go negative if for instance, you list at 1 and it sells for 1.



(Edit: Re-arranged equation to illustrate "process" flow better.)

This.

As for my first post, I thought the idea was funny - I've never ever had any issue
coming up with a name of any of my many toons, so I find it amusing that someone
would actually buy a name in the first place.

As for selling names, I have no issue with selling any in-game resource or commodity,
for in-game inf/items, to a willing buyer.

Now, if you're deliberately camping names of known players, and selling those,
that crosses my personal threshold for griefing. YMMV.

And, of course, selling in-game stuff for RL cash is a huge NO.


Regards,
4


PS> I missed seeing the *deleted* thread <shrug>

For me, the answer is: "Not nearly as often as I should"

Nearly every toon I have has a "default loadout" of inspirations based on which
AT it is, powersets, etc.

After about L10 or so, they're always Mediums as well (cheap on the mkt)

Typically, I will only use them when the proverbial excrement contacts the
rotary oscillator

While that is very effective for saving the day, it totally leaves out the idea of
optimising performance during the course of the mission itself.

I've dabbled with that on a Brute I have and it can be a definite and significant
(possibly huge) improvement, but I still typically can't make myself get past the
"But what if I need insp X Right Now and I don't have it?" psychological quandary.


Regards,
4

I'm quite comfortable saying the Enhancement Values (ie. Acc, Dmg etc.) work the
same way as any Invention IO, and are subject to Scaling when you exemplar.

I'm fairly comfortable saying that the set bonuses work all the way down to L1
for powers that are still available to use, with purples slotted in them.

I'm a bit hazy on whether those set bonuses are still available even if the power
itself is grayed out at your exemplar level -- I *think* they still are, but don't
quote me on that part.


Regards,
4

Drat! Too rich for me...

I guess I'll have to stick with Plan B: "Arbiter Shmarbiter"


Cheers,
4