Fire_Away

"If there's still no Base Love by Issue 20 ... or even the hope of any ... there never will be any. EVER."


Sadly (and no offense intended), I found your expectations to be much more realistic here.

Really? Do you have any evidence or results that supports this? To me it's more likely that there will always be some "next big thing" with mass appeal that has a higher priority.


You do know how many years it's been that people have begged for something as simple as a "blank" SG emblem? Right? That to me is about as easy as it gets and yet...


I mean nothing against you personally but at what point do you just say "I am going to stop calling out cause nobody is answering". [edit add: I'm at the point where "the shoe is on the other foot". Show me some results (any results) and I'll believe you even care].

FWIW I'm with you completely; been there a couple of years now. But the dag gum decorators union (errr correction... unions...looks like we have more than one now) has been the dominant voice in this section of the forum for awhile now . I'd add the possibity of a microtransaction to defray the costs of appeasing this minority; or maybe even underwriting the whole personal hideout/headquarters deal. That may be unpleasant for some but it could help define what is doable and when.

I think I'm "that Stalker"... least I was. If you are really interested (if not skip this post), my complaint was probably based on many factors; many of which I freely admit were/are under my control (though I like to think unpleasant jerk isn't a factor). After my vg dwindled down to less than a loyal handful a year or so back (the rest left the game) I was content playing mostly alone helping out others mainly when asked. Then incarnates and the WST arose making teaming more necessary to do SFs/TFs to advance my alpha slot.

I play villains (my choice) on a low population server (my choice) at off peak times (my choice). During the week, 8 level 50 (one team) players not hidden can easily represent well over a third of the eligible people I can see to team with on the server to do the WST. I can tell you from direct observation that at first being a Stalker did not help matters. Being a painful introvert with a fear of rejection didn't help either (I like to stay hidden as a Stalker for a reason). I was discouraged and did say so on the forum.

I'm happy to say after a couple of weeks my situation has improved. I get a lot of repeat business. After doing this Stalker thing nigh on six years people realize I mostly know what I'm doing. Not being an unpleasant jerk does help too. Still not much of an "assemble the team" type though I admit. [edit add: also want to thank those who posted they would be willing to take me on their team].

Anyway, I do not know how many people are/were in the same boat as me. I also don't know how many people are still going to pick any other AT (including Scrapper) over Stalker to team with no matter what. But you are right, a Stalker can overcome it.

Ummm, I was wondering.. when you say the "quality is low" are you referring to drama and perhaps langauage sometimes that will make a sailor blush? I've avoided these channels in the past for those reasons. These days with the emphasis on incarnates, WST, etc. I feel at at a disadvantange not belonging to one of these channels. Have things improved at all?

I mean no disrepect to the mods of these or anyone else. Just trying to weigh in my head if it's the right thing for me.

Still intrigued by this. Still clueless.

I'm glad to see somebody telling it like it is. I'm a 69+ month vet on day two of a search on a lower population server to get someone to take a Stalker for a LRSF. Despite having shivans, nukes, and even vengeance (which you figure would help if it wasn't a Mo run) the closest I've gotten to even making an attempt is multiple "Sorry we are full." The ignored yellow flagged team search comments and broadcast requests are starting to become demeaning. Even if/when I get on, it's fingers crossed hoping everyone will stay on the team and that it isn't a bust.

I'll be so glad when I can finally put this artificial forced play requirement behind me.

Been on on a low population server for a couple hours now... on a Stalker... trying to get on a team... to do something that can be a bear for a PUG...to get a level shift.

If that's "win" yeah I'm in it. I prefer to call it something else.

This is pretty much how I feel.



This isn't.

More specifically, I'd prefer a new system with current bases going the way of base salvage (you can still keep what you have..."frozen" perhaps... for "museum" purposes but no new creations). Edit add: But if tear down/start over is the only option, so be it.

Sorry guys. Unless I'm taking this completely out of context, looks like the near term content trend continues to be away from SG specific activities

Of course if you know me you know I keep hoping we go more in the other direction (make more things that do something rather than make the things that do something now do nothing).

Still, I have to admit IoPs are a great looking shiny. It would be wonderful to have a reasonable way to obtain them, even if it was for looks alone. Glad you brought it up again OP.

I find this ironic, the little patience part that is. I'll accept the word-game label if it was directed at my questions and helps make you feel better. But, at the risk of raising your anger even more please consider:

You take some of nicest, most helpful, and friendliest people in the game (yours truly excluded). They try for years to take what they think is a good thing and attempt to get someone to make it better. On a rare occasion you win; but only if what you ask for takes minimal effort (go into a program and lower pricing numbers or remove pathing restrictions).

Most times you lose. When I say lose I mean "worse than ignored". Capabilties you once had (base storage, raids, multi SG leadership, unique SG activities, unique SG rewards ) are gone. You watch as the rest of the game passes you by (the latest being Praetoria and side switching... which is why I keep bringing it up). You study trends and find that the things that make what you once treasured as "special" are not so "special" any more (great post Celica). You watch it morph away from the needs of "the group" and toward the tastes of "the individual"

Then you look to the future. That's where you get a good dose of development "priorities","bang for development buck" and how hard a fix is to achieve. Then, at least in my case, the time comes when you are faced with: "Is it all even worth asking for?"

ZM I have mounds of respect for you and what you have done for this community. Forgive the word-games. But words are all I have. And I've used just about every one I can think of to make the above points time and again and request fixes without success.

I wish I had your confidence that "Of course bases aren't obsolete." I wish I could say that bases (and especially supergroups) overall were flourishing and expectations are high for a bright future. I hope they won't turn into just individual storage units or a means of artistic expression. But behind a decorative facade things overall aren't going so well and haven't been for years. Maybe we should just accept that "what we have is all there is" as Redlynne suggests. At this point, stopping all the "erosion" we have suffered (if that is even possible) may be the best we can hope for for bases.

And with that, I'm out.

Your sg mates don't have to use bases to do any of this. When you consider that in some cases they flat out can't (while they are Praetorians or switch sides) and in other cases bases are not even the "best" way to do these things anymore you get an idea of why people begin to rethink the utility of bases.

That doesn't make bases "useless" (and I at least did not say they were... yet). But, I'm afraid the decline of the need for bases is far from rubbish and boils down to empowerment stations and the CoP trial (which cannot be found elsewhere... yet) and limited situational convenience. Is that enough justification to rebuild a kludge of a design from the ground up? How about making development of lots new stuff for bases a high priority? Or even sustain the viability of bases in the long run?