Dreadman

I'm seeing the opposite effect. On my Plant/Fire/Ice dom I got 2VR, 7R, 4Uncommon, 0Commons on my last 13 runs prior to the update. I ran 4 Bafs and 5 Lams yesterday and got ALL Commons on every single run.... I haven't seen a common drop in a long while and did not change my playstyle. Seems to me that DEVs borked how Dominators are weighed for their contribution vs. rewards given table. I know Random is Random... I'm just not used to seeing Commons, especially 9 in a row.

This is what I did. On average I get a purple drop every 2 1/2 runs through the map. I've had as many as 3 purps drop in one run. You need to keep an eye on your recipes and keep deleting any you dont want to keep. Oddly, I also noted I seem to get more purp drops when I keep my salvage from also capping out. May just be random with regards to the salvage. I've been able to purp out 2 toons farming this mish at 50/8. Compared to AE, I dont get as much infl or rare recipes but it takes much less time to get a good purp drop than to earn 500-600M infl that most good purp recipes require. I craft and sell the purps I don't want for a fair profit.

WOW.. I've been playing since before launch of COH. This is the best QOL update EVER. I have soooo many Kins I stopped teaming with because it was such a pain to respond to all the "gimme SB plz" tells. Being able to set a toon to ignore +movement means Kins are going to be in high demand.

Just imagining my Kin being able to do all the below to my whole team...
+Damage (to cap, for some)
+Recgh (50%) - this is huge, wonder if pets will be affected.. likely not
+End
-KB
+Res

I can't help but wonder how they handle Power Boosted powers.. before, one could maybe hit a few with the PB'd power before it ran out. Being able to Power Shield a whole team, however....

I hope this doesn't lead into a nerfing or lowering the effectiveness of the above powers

My main concern is about the size of the buff aoe and how close teaammates will have to gather. Also, as a group area buff, is the caster now affected, like Accelerated Metabolism?

>>>> On my Fire/Kin, I'd have the next mob mostly dead by the time Creepers would show up vs. when farming with my Plant/Kin. You must be on a map with tightly packed mobs.

>>>>>> Nothing situational about having to deail with more cone attacks vs. AOE attacks. Cone attacks require more careful positioning to maximize effectiveness vs. hopping into the middle of a mob which is very easy to do with Combat Jump. Also.. every post is "opinion based".. mine less so since I had both ATs to directly compare and had spent siginificant time trying out diff builds to min/max, running TFs and farming maps.


>>>>SOC has a huge cone so behaves almost like an aoe... not a good comparator. Try Roots, which has a narrower cone and is pain to get correctly positioned so I can spam damage on the whole mob. I prefer if SOC does not cause most damage so spam all other attacks as fast as possible, especially Roots.

>>>>>>How many of those Plant/Kins were fully IO'd and ran the same missions with same teams as a like Fire/Kin? That is what I based my "opinions" on... not anectdotal observations of others.

>>> SOC is great for alpha control but you still need to do a good chunk of damage outside of SOC to get good infl or exp. Not sure where you are getting the -recgh on the mob, last I checked Siphon Speed only hit one target. The -dmg helps somewhat, but it's still only about -20%... if u are able to stack FS on the same mob, then you are killing to slow.


1) My toggles getting mezzed off were never a factor for either my Fire/Kin or Plant/Kin. I had enough +recharge from my IO'd builds and using the Psy Epic(on both toons) had perma Indominitable Will.
2)Creepers are NOT constant damage if you are moving quickly from mob to mob
3) Vines require good positioning to hit the whiole mob vs. jumping into the middle of the mob and standing there while FS'd Hot Feet works it's magic. Additionally, to maximize Roots damage, you have to 1st get near the mob or in the mob, hit FS, then back up to position your cone. Bleh, I prefer jumping in once and staying there.

Not sure which of your "differences" prove your point.


I agree Plant is safer and stated so in my post. Play style wise, Plant was funner but Fire did more damage... my 'opinion'. Flytrap does ok damage but is more adept at being an aggro magnet. Creepers only get +damg buffed if you hit FS shortly after spawning Creepers.

Speed Boost is single target.. not sure I'd want to SB each of my Creepers.. would have next mob killed by time I finished. NOw, Inertial Reduction affectin Creeprs as an AOE... Imagine Creepers flying through the air and landing on the next mob with ya. :-) You make good points, many are ones I also considered when trying to figure out which of my /Kins would be better for farming. FWIW, I'm more likely to play Plant anything when teaming, especially my favorite toon, a Plant/Fire dom.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Just saw the below...

Group Area Buffs: To make buffing easier for Teams and Leagues, these buff powers now affect all the eligible characters within a 30-foot-radius around the targeted character. (Previously, you had to target and buff each individual character to use these powers.)

Cold Domination (Defenders, Controllers, Corruptors): Ice Shield and Glacial Shield
Force Field (Defenders, Controllers, Masterminds): Deflection Shield and Insulation Shield
Kinetics (Defenders, Controllers, Corruptors): Increase Density and Speed Boost
Sonic Resonance (Defenders, Controllers, Corruptors): Sonic Barrier and Sonic Haven
Thermal Radiation (Controllers, Corruptors, Masterminds): Fire Shield and Plasma Shield

I can confirm that the above technique works fine... even with updates. When I launched my duplicate instance of the launcher (located within a subfolder in my Apps folder) it succesfully updated the 2nd instance of COH to which I had tethered (via modifying the location in Properties). Both COH instances went throught their own patching/updating sequence and I was able to run both side by side on my dual accounts. Now, when I want to run a second instance of COH, I just activate the 2nd launcher.

Although lacking in Mac-fu, I got it to work (thanks to your suggestions) by creating a folder in my Apps folder and creating duplicate copies of COH and the Launcher. You can rename the launcher and place a shortcut in your dock. One can change the path in the 2nd launcher to point to the COH app buried in the folder via the Properties button. The launcher requires that the copy must still be named City Of Heroes so do not rename that app.

That's the part that actually worried me. If one has to use the launcher to run COH, then dual-boxing does not seem to be an option.

Like the other part of your description, I was hoping one could make a "2nd" copy of the luancher and tether it to the "2nd" copy of COH. As such, I do not see any advantage to using the launcher if I have to give up being able to launch a 2nd instance.

I've discovered that also. Getting an additional +1 or +2 level shift has made my permadom very effective in the labs. My last run, I split off from the main group and managed to collect 5 acids by myself. Leading with SOC and then holding any others lets me focus on the acids for quick collection.

Even on MoLam runs, a Plant dom shines. I was confusing the add-on mobs so they'd assist with taking down Marauder. Hard part was getting the rest of the team to ignore the adds instead of fighting them. Imagine having enough Plant dom to perma-confuse large groups of the add-on mobs. I noticed they tended to fight each other instead of hitting Marauder if you did not let them get close enough before confusing.

As far as trying to coordinate a Plant/Mind Dom trial on the Test server, I'd think a early-mid am timeframe on the weekend might allow all from EST to PST to participate in addition to some European night owls. If we can get 40+% Plant doms + add ons, would still be good.

That explains it. I was at a door with just me on my Plant/Fire/Ice and another Plant/Storm and we never saw anything get past the door. We both kept spamming Sleet, Ice Storm and Creepers and even the Lts. failed to sneak by.

Might be interesting to try and see if we can coordinate a mostly Plant BAF on the test server. I'm on Freedom myself.

I'm half tempted to try and coordinate a mostly Plant BAF or Lambda. The most impressed I've ever been with Plant Doms was on a Lambda trial where we only had 8 total... oddly that included 3 Plant doms. The original discussion in the League window went from "not enough to do this.. but may as well farm for some threads"... to "wow, this is going smoother than it should" and finally, to " we can do this" and "we did it". Interestingly, we had to improvise when someone went in the vators to the acids. We decided to make a run for the acids only and got all of them before Marauder spawned. Dealing with Marauder was no issue as me and another Plant Dom camped out at the grenade spawn spot and fed grenades to the rest. Never underestimate the pwnage from multiple plant doms rendering mobs into null threat. To be fair, I'm sure the rest of the team were skilled damagers and debuffers so the Plant doms don't deserve all the credit. However, I'd like to see how often any group of 8... or less is able to do the Lamda.


I kind of agree with your "disagree". Creepers rock when it's not just me vs. the spawns. In other words, if I have a scrapper or better aggro magnet with me at the spawn spot there's little possibility of being wiped out by the alpha if I don't get off my confuse in time. I like Lobster's suggestion on the creeper slotting. I may have to check that out in Mids and see if I still have enough global recharge left to keep my creepers perma with that slotting.

I noticed that to. Others who were patrolling the map to pick up strays kept pausing by my door waiting expectantly and nothing was coming out. Occasionally a Lt. would sneak by with about 1/2 or less health which was not a challenge to deal with.

Permacreepers definitely rocks on the 2nd wave.... now if only I had perma sleet. I tend to alternate back and forth with sleet or snow storm. The stacked slows and damage from those and creepers is nice. I'm tempted to respec and add another proc.