Random is random and you are looking at an extremely small sample.
The participation metrics control if you get 10 threads table or a random components table. If you qualify for more than the 10 threads, what you get is RANDOM.
For instance, I ran 8 trials tonight. In order I got the following:
Keyes - Very Rare (on a character that didn't need more of them.)
Keyes - Uncommon
Lambda - Uncommon
BAF - Uncommon
BAF - Uncommon
Keyes - Uncommon (notice a trend)
BAF - Common
Lambda - Common
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i wasnt counting the weeks of trialing leading up to the new patch where i would normally get uncommon/commons, i just found it a very lucky streak considering this.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Random is random and you are looking at an extremely small sample.
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i assume you prefer captial letters to make the point as you have used them in your response
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I'm seeing the opposite effect. On my Plant/Fire/Ice dom I got 2VR, 7R, 4Uncommon, 0Commons on my last 13 runs prior to the update. I ran 4 Bafs and 5 Lams yesterday and got ALL Commons on every single run.... I haven't seen a common drop in a long while and did not change my playstyle. Seems to me that DEVs borked how Dominators are weighed for their contribution vs. rewards given table. I know Random is Random... I'm just not used to seeing Commons, especially 9 in a row.
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Originally Posted by ATOFelix
from the patch notes
"Participation metrics have been adjusted in each trial. Players should have an easier time earning Incarnate Component rewards." i'd say, just ran 2 keyes, a baf and a lambda and got rare v rare rare rare any other toons using the new group buff noticed a change? |
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The problem is that you are assuming (remember what that makes people?) that the group buffs means that you will get a higher level reward. The only difference it will make is that you shouldn't be seeing the 10 thread reward table unless you door sit for the entire trial. Given other things we know about the participation metrics, I wouldn't even bet on that.|
Originally Posted by ATOFelix
yes, thankyou for pointing out the obvious and not really answering my initial question of ANYONE USING THE NEW GROUP BUFFS NOTICE A CHANGE?
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That you think that you will get a higher reward (very rare, rare) instead of a lower reward (uncommon or common) because of the participation metric is absurd.
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snowglobe, i would suggest you see dreadman's response as that was the type of reply i was expecting as you really dont get it.......
i am not assuming anything, i am not stating anything just simply asking a question of a theory (wild speculation granted) i had.
i really dont see why you feel the need to patronise me at all, in fact its absurd
/done
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The reason I'm responding is that I don't want false rumors to start. That is all you are doing here: starting some wild speculation that we've already been told isn't happening.|
Originally Posted by ATOFelix
snowglobe, i would suggest you see dreadman's response as that was the type of reply i was expecting as you really dont get it.......
i am not assuming anything, i am not stating anything just simply asking a question of a theory (wild speculation granted) i had. i really dont see why you feel the need to patronise me at all, in fact its absurd /done |
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Originally Posted by Baryonyx
It has never been possible to guarantee that you will receive a Very Rare. Once the participation system has done a handoff to the random table, it no longer has any effect on your reward. While reports of multiple Very Rares are not unexpected, these occurrences are evidence of consistent league success combined with a large amount of good luck.
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You have completely misunderstood what the patch notes are saying. They are not saying an easier time earning "high level" components. They are saying that fewer people should get 10 threads instead of a component. Your experiences documented only show that you have seen zero change. No threads before, no threads after = zero change.|
Originally Posted by ATOFelix
from the patch notes
"Participation metrics have been adjusted in each trial. Players should have an easier time earning Incarnate Component rewards." i'd say, just ran 2 keyes, a baf and a lambda and got rare v rare rare rare any other toons using the new group buff noticed a change? |
Dreadman also has reported zero change. No threads before, no threads after.
what we need are some MM's to come in and say if they are still getting the 10 thread reward or if they are getting components.
So far only one change has been made that altered the level of component and that was to make uncommons a bit less common. That was a while back and not related to the current patch.
This patch is just 10 threads vs component. Level of component is irrelevant, and I have to back Snowglobe, all you're doing is confusing people and starting false rumors.
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Actually I can sort of comment to that: On my MM, I crashed beginning to fight Siege in the BAF. I managed to come back with both Siege and Nightstar at 85% health and didn't get the 10 thread table. Now I can't say if this was due to the new participation metric or the league being good though.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
what we need are some MM's to come in and say if they are still getting the 10 thread reward or if they are getting components.
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i fail to see how i am spreading rumours when i have just asked a question as i wasnt aware of any previous posts and i replied stating my intention or so i thought. was it just a fluke i wondered or if anyone else was as lucky or was there something else. (to avoid confusion!?, its not something else , just a fluke, ok |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
The reason I'm responding is that I don't want false rumors to start. That is all you are doing here: starting some wild speculation that we've already been told isn't happening.
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I've run 24 trials since Sunday with three different toons, a brute, scrap and a kinetics defender. For the 'fender (since your question specifically called for group buffer perspectives), he's run 7 of those 24 with 4 of those being Keyes.
Total for the 24 runs combined across all three characters:
Common: 18
Uncommon: 6
No rares, no VR's.
From my limited and insignificant sampled perspective, no change. You hit a lucky streak.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
You have completely misunderstood what the patch notes are saying.
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| and I have to back Snowglobe, all you're doing is confusing people and starting false rumors. |
"rumour = information, often a mixture of truth and untruth, passed around verbally"
my OP was a question not a statement.
i hope this matter of miscommunication is resolved as i did not intend for any confusion/rumours and i applogise if it was taken that way but i object to being lectured and accused of something i havent done!
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thankyou, i guess i did, was a long time coming tho lol
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Originally Posted by Crysys
I've run 24 trials since Sunday with three different toons, a brute, scrap and a kinetics defender. For the 'fender (since your question specifically called for group buffer perspectives), he's run 7 of those 24 with 4 of those being Keyes.
Total for the 24 runs combined across all three characters: Common: 18 Uncommon: 6 No rares, no VR's. From my limited and insignificant sampled perspective, no change. You hit a lucky streak. |
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Your question is fully based on the notion that higher participation = higher rewards. In my first post in this thread, I told you that is not the case. What I've been attempting to do is to make every player that reads this thread aware of the fact that higher participation does not mean that they will get a higher reward.|
Originally Posted by ATOFelix
i fail to see how i am spreading rumours when i have just asked a question as i wasnt aware of any previous posts and i replied stating my intention or so i thought. was it just a fluke i wondered or if anyone else was as lucky or was there something else. (to avoid confusion!?, its not something else , just a fluke, ok
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my OP was a question not a statement.
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Originally Posted by ATOFelix
i hope this matter of miscommunication is resolved as i did not intend for any confusion/rumours and i applogise if it was taken that way but i object to being lectured and accused of something i havent done!
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Yes, you hit a lucky streak. Like I said, random is random.
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I have done two trials (BAF and Keyes) since the patch and gotten a very rare for each. I could claim (and many people with the same results would) it's because I'm super awesome, but it was really just dumb luck.
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Here is a graph of my trial reward tables, The top peaks are Very Rare, descending to Rare, Uncommon, Common, Threads, and Fails (bottom). Each horizontal is a group of 50 trials.
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"Has anyone else noticed that they doubled the shard drop rate?" is also a question. A question can easily spread misinformation.
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"rumour = information, often a mixture of truth and untruth, passed around verbally"
my OP was a question not a statement. |
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Yes, this is a question but it contains the implication that there HAS been a change and you're just asking who else has noticed. It's like the old political gotcha question of "Senator, when did you stop beating your wife?"
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Originally Posted by ATOFelix
any other toons using the new group buff noticed a change? |
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It is not an opinion, and it is not an incorrect statement. Rumors can be started by making statements, and they can be started by asking questions. Especially leading questions that are based on false premises.|
Originally Posted by ATOFelix
that is just your opinion which is wrong
"rumour = information, often a mixture of truth and untruth, passed around verbally" my OP was a question not a statement. i hope this matter of miscommunication is resolved as i did not intend for any confusion/rumours and i applogise if it was taken that way but i object to being lectured and accused of something i havent done! |
now, did you do it intentionally? No, probably not. But your comments to some of the other posts in the thread clearly indicate that you believe a change was made that increased the rates of high-level components based on participation. By continuing to respond to other posters encouraging them in their posting of random results as if they could possibly corroborate your theory, is encouraging those people to believe a falsehood.
Whether you did it intentionally or not, whether you know it is false or not, you are encouraging them to believe a falsehood.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
Yes, this is a question but it contains the implication that there HAS been a change and you're just asking who else has noticed. It's like the old political gotcha question of "Senator, when did you stop beating your wife?"
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from the patch notes
"Participation metrics have been adjusted in each trial. Players should have an easier time earning Incarnate Component rewards."
i'd say, just ran 2 keyes, a baf and a lambda and got
rare
v rare
rare
rare
any other toons using the new group buff noticed a change?
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