Deus_Otiosus

You should try a Fire/Fire/Fire Dom sometime.

You're probably right, but frenzy for Brutes and Dominators is one of the few good reasons to stay Villain.

Would you be able to elaborate?

I would really love it if this set didn't have yet another +damage boost that effectively makes the Brute version look pointless compared to the Scrapper version.

You could also just take Barrier to cover the gap.

Could also slot a FF proc in Focus, although you might even consider leveraging a primary that has more KB powers to slot it, I was considering SM/Ela myself.

Unfortunately Doctored Wounds is better for you as well in terms of healing gained.

With DW, (skipping endurance/rech piece) you heal for 237 per activation.

With Regen Tissue with your slotting you heal for 194 HP.

So a difference of 43 HP per activation.


IF the Regen Tissue procs, it will increase your regeneration from 7.9 HP/S to 9.17 HP, or an extra 1.27 HP/S.


Considering that RA is up ever 2.5s or so, that regen tissue proc would be completely irrelevant to your build even if it proc'd every single time or was slotted in health for perpetual benefit.

You have a self heal. If you need to be topped off you're going to use RA.

I always keep powers like SC, LR, RoF, etc bound to one of my side mouse keyes.

Typically I'm popping BU right before LR or SC for example, and while that's animating I can already have the attack target beacon queued up and in position.

Then it's just a right click away from kaboom.

When I see someone low on health, I just find I have a really, really hard time finding that pesky little RA hotkey - where oh where could it be?

All good info.

Shockwave has better DPA, half the cast time and better (100%) KB.


Repulsing Torrent is so much worse, its not even remotely close.

I'm curious to what you think the special purpose of RT is though, slightly longer range (40 vs. 30) and even higher levels of KB?

If you are primarily a soloist, a Mind/Fire Dom might be fun.

Another fun combo, especially on teams, would be Fire/Fire/Fire Dom.

Welcome back.

There are a lot of good primaries for SD.

In particular, the following 3 are probably the most popular but SD is not really limited to being a good pairing with just these 3.

Fire Melee: Probably the most well rounded, has good ST and good AoE capabilities, doesnt require a ton of rech to get a decent ST chain.

Dark Melee: The most survivable option with a self heal and an endurance recovery tool. It can be one of the top ST performers with SD, but only with a ton of rech. Poor AoE, even with Shield Charge.

Electric Melee: All out AoE option, very poor ST. LR & SC make for an incredibly strong, spawn wiping combination.

This is the big one for me.

Likening it to Going Rogue is pretty bad imo, considering all of the stuff we got on top of the new sets with going rogue. It also sticks out as a reminder as "Hey you just bought this stuff, but now we will give it away free to our new customers."

Its not working for me.



I'm actually worried they will be useful.

In all of my character's builds, powers and available slots are at an extreme premium.

Incarnate powers are great because they can be added to your entire build without forcing you to make drastic changes, reslot your powers & respec, etc.

We're still playing with legacy design here, where you are forced to take powers that are mechanically worthless to your build in order to access "higher tier" powers in that Power Pool, Epic or Patron Pool that you actually want.

I love designing builds and making choices, trying to squeeze everything into the character that I want - but we've hit a pretty consistent zone here since Inherent Fitness and Incarnates where the game is constantly changing and after a while it really gets tiresome revamping and respeccing your build every few issues for anywhere from a half dozen to a dozen characters (or more!).

I love that the devs are thinking of new fun and cool ideas for more powers and such, but I really wish they'd also implement some better ways to accommodate this stuff in terms of available powers, slots and most importantly the entirely cumbersome and totally unfun respec system we have.



EDIT: And yes, I understand Inherent Fitness gave us more flexibility and freedom in our builds, it was a very welcome addition to the game. It was however, one of those things that should have been done ages ago. Sucking wind constantly as you level up has never been, and never will be an enjoyable experience.

Unfortunately being able to go spiritual is highly dependent on secondary.

That chain is something like 5+ EPS with 30 or 40% End Rdx Slotting.

Its a hand to hand combat set that has some kind of a combo system and finishing moves.

I think calling it Street Fighting might be just a little too close to where they might have pulled inspiration from.

Tell Posi to make those travel powers at L4 inherent, because we are all out of power choices already.

You won't have Scrapper level DPS.

Because the Scrapper is buffed and his target is debuffed, which increases the Scrappers DPS beyond even the best Pylon times.

And that Scrapper can also have a pet, being buffed and debuffed.

Unless you want to count that added damage as "yours" for debuffing/buffing.

No one can say your Defender isn't providing an immense amount of benefit to the league, that's not something I would not say.

But in the situation above you may have moved into "scrapper level" DPS in terms of beating their pylon times while solo and now bringing that to the league, but the scrappers raw DPS has now moved into a completely different zone in the buff/debuff situation.




Ultimately, even though I managed a 42s pylon time on my Fire/Rad Corr with T4 Cims, I know its not "his" DPS - or at least I don't consider it such. (going to have another go once I have ageless )

Same Corr managed 4 mins 1 s with no Cims out, but I've made some build revisions and will try again with the aforementioned ageless - even then its still not raw DPS, because the target has -res and -regen debuffs on it.


This is just my arbitrary distinction.

I like to think about what a character can accomplish, for example your Defender soloing Chimera, in terms of their overall package.

And then I also like to have an idea of what their straight, raw DPS is - without the effects of things like -res or -regen. Of course I still count those effects, but I tend to consider them as part of their complete target take down capabilities.

I'm not really sure you can, and as i said earlier I don't think that's what Werner was suggesting.

I think what would be cool is if that set you're thinking about also had massive endurance utility, and a +DEF clicky for tough situations and maybe instead of scaling +Damage, scaling +rech.


And then, maybe some kind of glowy/shield type effect made of energy that covers your body.


It sounds like it would be pretty strong to me.

Barrier will do basically the same thing for you in that it provides so much DEF as to make it exceedingly unlikely that you will ever suffer cascading def failure.

I have a WP Brute, and there is no way you could ever convince me to use something other than Barrier or Rebirth for that character.

Maybe Melee Crowd Control to separate from Controllers and Doms, who are probably more traditionally what people will look at for 'Crowd Control'.


Its a tough one to describe for sure, since the AT is already using the name of the role as its own.


I suppose "Threat Absorption" is too wordy.


Also, neither of those actually describes the nature of the Tanker's Primary set which is mitigation focused.


I'm a big fan of "Armored Spearhead", it works well for Tankers, Brutes & Scrappers.

In Shatter of course...




Shatter > Clobber > Jawbreaker


Then use that free spot in Crowd Control for the Force Feedback Proc.



*As a note, I took my WM/SD/ Energy Brute onto test a while ago, and gave him a full top end build with the recharge to run that chain, with the res proc, and T4 Reactive Radial and with 10 Targets in AAO for 240 DPS.

The Scrapper, should be higher (much, much higher).


Not bad for a set with a handful of AoE options.

So you're saying that once scourge kicks in, the Corr will pull ahead?

Got a rough idea about how much? (And thanks for the above by the way)

I agree.

I prefer Corrs completely over Defenders, but the -Res numbers on Sonic for Defenders are really so much better than the Corr's for this specific combo that its hard to argue with.

That's my "at a glance" opinion.

I'm not really sure just how much better (or possibly even not better, but I doubt it) the Defender has it.

For one thing, the Defender starts with better -RES from Enervating Field (-30% Res vs. -22.5%).

Followed by the Defender's better -Res from Sonic Attacks (-20% vs. -15%).

And lastly, a 30% Damage bonus solo for your GM/AV Hunting needs.


However you also have to take into consideration the Corr's higher damage scalar, and Scourge.

Th entire comparison is more math than I'm willing to ever attempt.