Deus_Otiosus

So you mean that I can buy one year's sub, not get my year's worth of tokens (which are technically paid for) with which I use to advance on the Rewards Program Tier where VIP T9 only items are rotating for "a limited time" and that the only way I could get those right now if I lacked impulse control would be to spend more money on points in the store to unlock the tiers?


I'm not holding my breath for that "fix" for the coding/database issue.

It's not a ranged attack, its a melee attack.



For the same reasons, whatever they are, that they made Thunder Strike that way.

Personally I think they did it just to be different for the sake of it, without really adding any actual value to the set.


It's still not an actual reason, and it makes no sense of any kind for Spinning Strike.

Thunder Strike might have actually made sense, being a lightning bolt and all - at least you could work it out conceptually.

Spinning Strike on the other hand makes no sense conceptually.

You hit someone with your fist, from up to 7 feet away, and then spin around (on one leg) and then hit him and everyone within a 6 foot radius of him with your heel (your other leg) from where you hand and heel were as opposed to everyone around where your body is (since you are spinning on the heel you left on the floor).

Does your foot explode or something? Does it fly off of your body and make a giant circle on its own divorced from your leg?


Waving away a poorly thought out concept with "just cuz" is bad, saddling said concept with IO sets that were designed with actual real ranged AoEs in mind is even sillier.

(I just want to add, that this hostility isn't directed at you. You didn't make the power. The more I thought about it, the dumber the whole power started to sound).

Tell that to Stone Armor

It does seem very close, ideally it would be great if someone could test it live.

What happens if we increase fury by 10% (although 85% is a very generous assumption without surrounding yourself with enemies) and increase criticals to 12%? (i.e. the AT specific sets)

For single target DPS.

For AoEs, I think I'd stick with the better rate for Procs.

It certainly seems like it.

1) Foot Stomp only has a target cap of 10, not 15.

2) Super Strength has one of the worst Melee ST DPS attack chains in the entire game.

Unless you mean the attack chain that only uses two Super Strength attacks and supplements with 2 attacks from OUTSIDE OF THE POWER SET.


You couldn't possibly mean that attack chain though, because that would be incredibly stupid.

That would be pretty amazing "Force Shield" or "Force Field Defense".

Rather than bubbles around the character, I think whatever they used to make the Victorian Decor Aura except covering the whole body would be perfect.

So it looks more like a form fitting force field instead of a huge bubble.



@OP:

IMO, Shield is the "best" all around set for a Scrapper.

Added Damage bonus/DPS improvement
Added AoE Burst
Fairly easy to softcap
Flexible slotting options to build for high recharge
Low/Moderate Resistances, which can be supplemented by OWTS
Solid HP, which can be supplemented by OWTS
Several "one slot wonder" powers (AAO, Phalanx Fighting, Grant Cover, OWTS)
Excellent mez protection
Taunt Aura


Some other sets are better at some particular niche, but for all around solid survivability and very good offense, Shield gives you a full package.

No Brute or Scrapper will really be able to come near what a Tanker offers in mitigation.

However, I think for what you want (a damage dealer that survives well), 2 choices in particular stand out.

Katana/Willpower or Broad Sword/Willpower.

This is probably one of the better SO combinations, for either Scrapper or Brute, for SO only play, mostly soloing and teaming on occaision.

This.

I can't stand weapon redraw, and usually avoid playing weapon sets because of it.

Two questions.

Did you adjust FU for the Scrapper's higher bonus? (37.5%, Brute only gets 30%).

Did you do criticals at 5%? Linea did them at 10%.

I deleted my post because I saw your edit and thought I was wrong!

You can actually get to 30-40% Psi Defense, but it forces sacrifices elsewhere. I'd actually sacrifice Fire/Cold/Negative for it, due to its prevalence on iTrials along with accompanying debuffs.

10% crits is the only way to go IMO.

Out of curiosity, do either of them do better with a lower rech chain (due to dropping spiritual) and picking up musculature?



I'm ok with 3 DPS off , however:

@Granite Agent:

1) What was your Fury bonus for the fight?

2) Did you surround yourself with Rikti (even under level Rikti works, no mentalists though as they can affect your rech)?


If you didn't, you should try it to push your Fury higher.

It's not just set bonuses.

It's the actual enhancement values.

Take some time in mids and compare the enhancement values of Posi Blast vs. the better choices available to the PBAoE sets.

I also want it to accept PBAoE sets because then it would actually follow the rules for pretty much every Melee AoE attack in the game, including the one power that functions like Spinning Strike.

Agreed, but that's also a lot of primaries.

I've posited this question before, but does the Brute gain or even have a way to match the Scrappers offensive advantage in those situations with a roughly equivalent across the board Defensive advantage? The Brute certainly can't match the offensive advantage, which in my rough ballpark estimate is 20-30% DPS ahead of the Brute.

Several secondaries work in favor of the Brute in niche situations (Ela, FA vs. their Damage Type).

Several secondaries allow Brutes to beyond the Scrapper HP cap by a solid amount.

Remember, we are talking solid to high end IO builds (in my post, quoting Argebela).


I think in general, yes I agree with your "educated guess" (I'm sure its more than that, but that's all I have to go on).

On the other hand, for "very high end" builds, +15% to +40% damage bonuses from IOs is on the table, SD is on the table, perma +damage boosts like FU, Soul Drain, Power Siphon are on the table, Tier 4 Musculature is on the table and soon a way to increase chances of Critical will be on the table.

None of those benefit the Brute nearly as much and the offensive advantage gap in favor of the Scrapper grows much wider, the Brute has no answer defensively beyond the 12% extra HP/regen or the handful of secondary sets that allow a Brute to go beyond 75% resistance.


I'd still love to see a comparison of top Claws times from both a Brute and a Scrapper.

Granite Agent put up 244 DPS from a Claws/SR Brute with T4 Reactive running FU-Focus-Slash.

He's also posted his build IIRC, I'd love to know what a similarly built (Claws/SR, T4 Reactive) scrapper would be capable of.

It's not necessary in the caves because you don't need to kill all of them.

1st mish you can just do surgical strikes on the Cims holding the Seers hostage.

2nd mish you just hit the cysts and just ignore the rest.


On the few solo (non-Mo) ITF runs I did with my DM/SD Brute, I basically used speed tactics where ever I could to cut down on time.

Its a riskier option, but it also has some benefits in terms of dealing with the +DEF buffing the Cims give to each other.

I look at it the other way, forcing it to take TAoE sets is almost a nerf.

That seems like a really goofy way to balance a power for something the devs don't necessarily balance for (IO sets), and also seems pretty irrelevant.

I can put 3 sets of Oblits into a Warmace character, I can do the same with Elec Melee - why single out Spinning Strike to take sets that are clearly designed for ranged attacks?

Why should Spinning Strike take different sets than Thunder Strike?

What I want is for Spinning Strike to have access to PBAoE sets, which are good for melee characters, and not TAoE sets, which mostly suck except for Ragnarok.

I want to be able to use sets that actually have some kind of value for 6 slotting, unlike TAoE sets which give almost no value at all.

We're not dancing around anything, the devs designed a power that functions exactly like Thunder Strike from Elec Melee and then thought it would be cute to give it access to TAoE sets for no reason anyone can discern other than what is most likely a random whim.

Keep in mind, VERY HIGH END Scrappers will have access to +damage bonuses, and potentially Musculature Alpha.

As these are brought into the picture, the situation goes downhill for the Brute.


As for Brute Claws vs. Scrapper Claws - I'll wait for someone to prove that on an actual pylon test.

To this point, no Brute posting on the Rikti pylon thread has come near the equivalent Scrapper combination vs. a Pylon.


I understand the pylon is not the be all end all of this discussion, I understand that the builds that are capable of the no temps, no insps pylon runs are very specialized.

My challenge is to anyone who thinks they can actually meet or exceed the best DPS times, with their Brute, using any powerset/combo shared by both Brutes and Scrappers to actually prove it on the pylon. (I actually look forward to being proven wrong here)

SS/FA/Soul, which holds one of the best melee times there are, uses a Primary Scrappers don't have access to.

Super Strength, without outside power pools or counting secondary attacks, is actually one of the worst single target melee primaries in the game.

Unfortunately the OPs premise is based on things that are not really relevant outside of min/maxing.

The developers do not balance this game around the absolute top end min/max crowd.

Iggy did it a while back.

Solo MoITF Thread

Not really, those powers are all ranged cones and with the exception of Breath of Fiire all have ranges of 30 to 40 feet IIRC (BoF has a range of 15 feet).

According to mids, those powers do accept Range enhancement, and Spinning Strike does not.


Spinning Strike really should accept PBAoE sets, the same as Thunderstrike.

That's a 12 foot diameter.

Foot Stomp has a 15 ft radius.

You should probably just give up on Stalkers all together, if you dislike AS that much.

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm giving you the same advice I gave myself.

I don't like AS, and so I don't bother with Stalkers.

DM/WP with Dark Consumption would not need either of them.

Now, you could alternatively skip Dark Consumption and go with one or both CP or PP, but I think the slotting options for Dark Consumption will win out in the long run.

As DM/WP your AoE damage will be extremely limited, my suggestion would be to grab Dark Consumption (if you even need it at all) and then grab some kind of AoE addition from a patron/epic pool if you have the slots for it.

If you absolutely must have one of them (meaning CP or PP), for DM/WP build specifically - I would go with Conserve Power as I'd prefer an "emergency" power than another trickle of recovery and regen which already have a ton of.



On another note, you want both Tough and Weave. So you should start thinking about what else you want to drop.


Post your build, you'll get better results than asking about these specific power choices in a vacuum.