brute/scrapper survivability vs. tanker SO's only


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I've read many guides and posts on forums. I want to make a character that will be good at surviving and decent at damage. I know that tankers get higher defense and resist numbers than brute/scrappers. I will be going to premium account soon and will only use SO's.

Given the SO only builds can brute/scrapper survivability be near tankers if there specced towards defense. Or will tanks be way beyond what they can achieve on so's.

This is all directed towards soloing mainly and team play on occasion. Im not looking to solo av's or anything just have fun and solo some stuff.

Just looking for some expert opinions.


 

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Anything /wp will do just fine. Paired with a heavy mitigation primary like stone melee or dark melee and you'll even be able to run a few enemy groups at x8 without inspirations.

Similarly, anything /stone will also do just fine running granite.

And any secondary - ANY secondary - will do just fine if you start your x(x) difficulty low and ramp it up to a point you're comfortable with. Some sets this will be x3 or 4. Some will be x5 or x6.

On just SO's you might find your brute out-surviving a tanker with the same power sets because of a difference in kill speed. This was the case with my own sm/wp brute vs my wp/em tanker back before inventions got put in the game.

There's one dark horse in this race these days, though. SR on tanker. It softcaps on SOs. That's pretty damned tough as far as SO builds are concerned.


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Most of the defensive sets excel at a particular type of damage with reduced effectiveness at others. Since tanks have higher numbers to begin with, the "reduced" effectiveness is still pretty darn effective. This means that you could make a tank with almost any set and still be very survivable in ordinary content.

With scrappers and brutes, you will need to be a bit more choosy with your set, especially with just SOs. Shield Defense, Super Reflexes, Invulnerability, and Willpower provide great defenses for normal play, while you'd probably want to stay away from something like Fire Armor.

Tanks will always be more survivable given the same defensive set, but for the type of play you're planning on, brutes and scrappers will do very well.


 

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Well if you are going SOs only I'd put my thumbs up to dm/invul with hasten. You should be able to fit the fighting pool in the build. Going brute or scrapper that set on SOs wins hands down!


 

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Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad View Post
There's one dark horse in this race these days, though. SR on tanker. It softcaps on SOs. That's pretty damned tough as far as SO builds are concerned.
Don't forget the SD/MA combo on tanks as well. Softcap on SOs very easily, plus AAO damage and Shield Charge. Can't go wrong with that.


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Originally Posted by Mr_Louisiana View Post
I've read many guides and posts on forums. I want to make a character that will be good at surviving and decent at damage. I know that tankers get higher defense and resist numbers than brute/scrappers. I will be going to premium account soon and will only use SO's.

Given the SO only builds can brute/scrapper survivability be near tankers if there specced towards defense. Or will tanks be way beyond what they can achieve on so's.

This is all directed towards soloing mainly and team play on occasion. Im not looking to solo av's or anything just have fun and solo some stuff.

Just looking for some expert opinions.
No Brute or Scrapper will really be able to come near what a Tanker offers in mitigation.

However, I think for what you want (a damage dealer that survives well), 2 choices in particular stand out.

Katana/Willpower or Broad Sword/Willpower.

This is probably one of the better SO combinations, for either Scrapper or Brute, for SO only play, mostly soloing and teaming on occaision.


 

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Originally Posted by Mr_Louisiana View Post
I've read many guides and posts on forums. I want to make a character that will be good at surviving and decent at damage. I know that tankers get higher defense and resist numbers than brute/scrappers. I will be going to premium account soon and will only use SO's.

Given the SO only builds can brute/scrapper survivability be near tankers if there specced towards defense. Or will tanks be way beyond what they can achieve on so's.

This is all directed towards soloing mainly and team play on occasion. Im not looking to solo av's or anything just have fun and solo some stuff.

Just looking for some expert opinions.
Just thought I'd mention this, but what reward level are you at? If you're over a certain level (I think it's 7) you have lifetime access to the IO system, so you wouldn't have to drop to SO's.


 

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Take a hard look at Dark Melee/Invulnerability Brutes and scrappers, even just with SOs. It is very synergistic, very survivable. Its possible that the kill speed of a Brute/Scrapper may make them more survivable then a tank. Okay, that's hyperbolic. I'm leaving it in though lol. I will tell you that they are more fun to run because of that, to me.


 

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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
Don't forget the SD/MA combo on tanks as well. Softcap on SOs very easily, plus AAO damage and Shield Charge. Can't go wrong with that.
Good point. And now I have another tanker alt. Sigh.


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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
Don't forget the SD/MA combo on tanks as well. Softcap on SOs very easily, plus AAO damage and Shield Charge. Can't go wrong with that.
I second that, and I never liked tankers because of the damage, but I'm liking SD/MA. Of course it's no scrapper/brute but it's good enough for me. At level 4 I was walking around with 25% def to all positions because of Storm Kick.


 

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That does seem like a good offensive combo for a tanker. Might be what im looking for. Awsome survive and decent damage with the damage aura. I been playing a SR/MA tanker to lvl 17 so far. He got to defensive cap with melee and ranged very fast but damage is pretty low. I think i'll make one of those SD/Ma characters and see what he can do. I never played a shield character yet so should be fun.


 

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Ice Armor can also be softcapped on SOs via EA with 5-6 targets or going /MA.

Also, don't forget you can use HOs/SHOs!


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