Chyll

That is probably a worthy discussion point.

I took it that he was speaking to the parents - apologizing for failing to take care of/keep safe Bruce.

Heh. The same thought has crossed my mind at times.
Congrats, on your continued development towards Arcanaville 1.1. Your posts are informative and chock full of more thought and analysis than I would ever pretend to aspire to, and even when I may disagree I appreciate your contributions to the forum voice.

Some tricks to that, in terms of keeping differentiation with Pain Domination, though.

yepper

ah... well then...

Yeah, I figured, which is why I mentioned it was probably outside the scope of discussion... but I can dream...

I've always wondered a step further - and probably too far in terms of what is possible currently - that the clothes/skin options are clumped together.

I want to be able to pick skin color(s), and then apply a skin texture - bio, organic, scales, etc., and then put a shirt or tights over that. So, what we can do now with jackets/robes (robe over a Chest choice of scales, for instance) could be done with all Chest choices - Tights, etc.

I would. Shiver is a wonderful tool, particularly while leveling.

My apologies, I clearly misunderstood:



Anyway:

I agree completely. And if someone shared their opinion of a way to play, good on them.
And advice to play focused on DfB may be equally harmful.

My point was simply, I am glad someone was offering advice to new players and sharing a way that may be fun and engaging for them to try and make their own informed decision.

Yep, agreed.

Objectively, I think the *disconnect* is this directly comes from one of the dev team participating in a discussion and seemingly reviewing and concepting related to this specific topic. Put that in the context of the same time period when there was the retro sci-fi development at the pummit and on the forums.

It seems to have been wrong, but that set expectations for some of being past a 'take to the dev team' for prioritization. And that is where some of the reaction may be coming from as now it seems like it was simply an informational discussion or individual project for an individual now out of the picture.

It is, as frequently, an issue of communication and expectation control.



Subjectively, My opinion is that a refresh of the core of the classic hero costume elements would be incredibly valuable for CoH. Of far greater value than some other recent choices. That is an opinion, and mine, and one formed with a limited perspective related to the entire playerbase or the personal asthetic of the dev team.

I'm backing far from any anticipation of anything in this space. And, I'll probably avoid any future art direction discussions, to limit my internal hype meter getting fooled again.

HAX!

I refuse to believe GG posted less than 10 times in any thread!

No offense, but your name lacks the crimson, so other opinions can continue to be expressed.

(Even if you are probably right from a design standpoint, the fact is that flexibility is the hallmark of the excellent costume system we have, and the comments really only seek to leverage that.)

I'd agree that 'unresponsive' is an unfair characterization.

However, expectations were set by the excellent thread and discussion on this topic in the past. That thread, fairly or not, acquired a feeling in line with the pummit costume discussions - for input and seeming attention. There was as much (or more) 'work' accomplished, IMO as an participant and observer as with the pummit items. And consequently and equal level of excitement. So... the sudden absence with no public notice or acknowledgement is disengaging.

I reading your responses they seem a tad defensive, and I'd like to say that I think most of the comments (mine certainly, and hopefully I can gamble and speak for others) are related to those expectations, even if they were misguided, and not an attack against the dev team.

No, what is being said is: "With the great work and higher quality of costume pieces possible and coming out recently wouldn't it be nice if some new classic superhero pieces were done to take advantage of that same level of astethic?" And if you think there is something wrong with that, fine. But I, for one, disagree with you.


This, right here.

Specifically, in a related topic, I suggested on G+ the other day that maybe some new organic pieces be considered (in the same vein of getting some newer quality choices out there) in conjunction with the bio armor set - synergy of appearnace and all that. The formal response from the dev group was essentially "we already have a lot of organic pieces". I didn't bother citing a comparison count of organic to tech choices, etc., etc. or the relative ages of the best pieces (Mecha, space pirate, biotech, scifi...) because it wouldn't have really helped the discussion along. But it is the same thing, I'd rather see more variety in the current excellent quality output, rather than the original implementation pieces for classic superhero, organic, and all manner of costume selections.

I like all our costume options, and I want every genre to benefit from the best the game has to offer in appearance.

The quickest answer may be that they all look paper thin and painted out. It isn't just about spandex, but about getting some texture and sense of depth. Masks that aren't painted on, but worn as an item for instance. Sometimes the patterns may be lifted - layered material - rather than just a swath of color. The recent leather armor set, for example, looks like material worn by the character and not just colored onto the figure. Images from the Watchmen movie and the costumes there are often cited by some in these discussions.

These are just some quick examples of things that could be done. As noted elsewhere, though, the many variety of eras/genres/styles within the broad silver/golden age label blurs what is really wanted for some people.

Yep, and Generation 1 discussions are boring.

So very this.