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Quote:I never asked for it! So, let be optimistic and see it as a no-strings attached, sure thing, all win (though I still thin Stamina and Health will ramp up to full power at level 20, rather than...boom you have it!)Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous
Yeah, I feel the same way. In 6 years we have never gotten something for nothing. Every buff we've ever gotten has come with a catch. So I'm trying to be optimistic here, but I get this sinking feeling we're all going to regret begging for this. -
Quote:then you slot the inherent powers the way you slotted them as Power Pool powers, and grab 3 new powers, that you may or may not find a use for!Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
So do I get extra slots now to slot the fitness inherents? I mean seriously thats 4 new inherent powers that are going to be there. I'm going to want to slot them, but if I do that and have 3 extra powers, now my slots are running even thinner.
Not to mention, ALL of my toons have fitness. That means respecs to all of them. Unless they keep the pool and the inherents. In which case, more end and health for me I suppose.
I hope that they handle this carefully, I have a lot of toons balanced just the way I want them, 3 new powers opening up and having 4 new inherents is going to gum up the works big time.
There is no downside currently, except you may have to pick in 3 remove from tray powers that never see the light of play. But you could pick them up for purely concept reasons.
The tough one so far for me will be my Fire/Earth Dom, but I think that's only because I haven't decided if I will switch to Fire Mastery or go with the planned Mu Mastery (tough choices) -
Quote:Ack! that's what I get for quick reading before taking off to play Catan! *slaps self*Originally Posted by UberGuy
I, uh, said that. You quoted it.
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Quote:I had to make the consession of a 1 Slotted Typhoon's Edge on my DB/WP who had to have that one power for concept, I'm sure I can handle three new powers terribly unslotted for maximum effectiveness, just to get closer to my conceptOriginally Posted by Puppycrusader
Slot starvation, mostly. Three extra powers is three more powers to potentially
need slots. Some builds are pretty tight on slots as it is.
It's nothing people can't work around, and easily. But it is going to cause an awful
lot of "junk" or "mule" picks, just to fill space, with the corresponding "I'd like to
do something with this power, but can't afford to..." feelings to go with it.
Basically more and more builds are going to feel like slotting tri-form khelds.
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Quote:Use a Movement speed increase Hami-O!Originally Posted by UberGuy
I'm not sure why this would be nice. If they're merged, anyone who has both powers today would have to spend an extra slot on the combined power to put in one slot into both effects. Today each power comes with a free slot, which can be enhanced with no slot cost.
What's the difference if you get two free powers instead of one? The only special enhancements you could slot in it would be HOs - you can't slot sets in Swift or Hurdle, and almost certainly a combined inherent version would be the same way. Other than the extremely specific case of slotting the combined power with a Micro HO I'm not sure why this is better. -
Quote:What makes you say that?Originally Posted by Weatherwoman
My only problem with inherent fitness is that we won't get any extra slots for the powers that we have to take in their place, so they will end up being unused dummy powers. Incarnate levels has a *chance* to fix this. I just think that dispersing the enhancement slots we have is already hard enough without adding even more powers to the mix.
Using my Stalker as an example...I get to add Physical Perfection (fine with 1 slot...and wanted for both more recovery and concept), possibly Combat Jumping (oooh just a few more points of Defense!) and Hover and or Fly!
Won't let me get all the concept powers I want from pools, as some of those concept powers require 2 power picks, but it gets me a lot closer (building within AT limits of course). -
Quote:Naaa. Because people with those sets still tend to take Stamina. And if we don't get extra slots, they're still grabbing powers that can't be slotted up as well.Originally Posted by Cantatus
That was actually proposed a few years back when this discussion originally came up. My thought at the time was that it ran the risk of making certain powersets that don't "require" Fitness overpowered. Some sets already have powers that serve as decent substitutes to what Fitness offers (like Quick Recovery, Transference, Drain Psyche, etc).
However, I would hazard a guess that doing something like this would run less risk of unbalancing certain powersets than just giving everyone the Fitness power pool.
What I think we'll see is more varied builds, in that people will have that one power pool to free up to whatever they want. Getting 4 of the 5 epic choices in one build will be more possible now. -
Quote:My thought is they won't change the values. It sounds like more of a QoL improvement than anything.Originally Posted by EU_Damz
We can only speculate at the moment. Though if it does follow the rules at the moment on live, then we'ld still be able to add slots to it so procs would still be ok.
Only thing that is worrying most people is if the base value of them is changing or not.
All those people with tight builds (and with the improvements to melee armors, and the coolness of the attacks...I find a lot of the melee ATs to be right builds now. Stalkers more so, as you want Build Up (more so on a Kin Melee imo), Placate, and Assassin Strike) just got 3 power slots freed up.
Wouldn't be worth it if the values where lower, and what's the point of putting people's excitement up with this news, if you're going to kill their END REC with it?
I think either they'll be level locked (6, 14, 20) or available at some point between level 1-20, and build up to full effectiveness at level 20.
My guess is the level lock. It'll give people things to look forward to at those levels. -
Quote:This is what I think as well.Originally Posted by Ehina
It's pretty good news, and will bring many more possibilities for characters with really tight builds (/SR, /WP, /Elec scrappers... when you have to take almost every secondary picks are good examples).
I'm pretty sure Fitness as inherents will be slottable, that would not make sense otherwise and it would be a massive nerf for max level toons, very unlikely to happen. The question is rather : what will happen to your already built toons with slotted hurdle/health/stamina when the patch goes live ? Probably the build would not change until a respec, and then once you respec they go inherent ...
Anyway, it confirms the recent very animated threads we had about "endurance issues", and it seems the devs have read, made their choice and decided to add some QoL to that matter. I can only applaud.
Either you'll have to respec toons to get them as inherents OR quite possibly, you'll keep the powers, and get the inherents (I'm thinking you'll beable to slot it), sooo you can have both untill you respec.
This can mean that you'll get additional END/Regen if you don't respec, but personally, I think most would do the respec for the added powers (maybe not 100%, but a large enough majority) as I know I would on every concept, as I want additional concept powers!
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Quote:Just the thought of them unlocking at 6, 14, 20 is awesome to me.Originally Posted by UberGuy
That's what I envisioned also. There are some folks speaking of them as if they appear at level 1, but I don't know if that's supposition or based on Dev comments at PAX.
Making them unlock at 1 would have a lot bigger effect on general morale, IMO, but I can totally see them working as you suggest. -
Quote:I have it in my Stalker build (needed for concept), but it came at a cost.Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
I mentioned a couple pages ago that Leadership may get a lot more popular as well.
It would be nice to see this pool used a little more. At least for Manuevars, but I find Tactics helps on some of the TFs as well. -
Quote:I don't see why people worry that much about not getting more slots. You're already limited by how many slots you can put into your build now, this won't change anything, what does this do now?Originally Posted by Kheldarn
I don't know what's funnier: The retarded amount of Inherant Fitness NERDRAGE in this thread, or the fact that almost everyone is overlooking the fact that we had NO IDEA what this will do to slots. Will we get more? Will we still be stuck with what we have? Have to wait until Monday or Tuesday, and hope the Devs/OCR tells us (unless they say something at PAX tomorrow... >.>)
Runner Up LOL: "The game is too easy!!" xD
Oh look...I'm going to grab those powers I don't really need to slot and put them into my build now Either for concept or min/max purposes.
Oh look, I can add Combat Jumping for additional +Defense, Immbolize Protection, and slot it with a +RCH LotG.
When before I might have skipped it on my Hover Blaster.
It gives wiggle room!
And for those who use Ninja Run as a travel power because they needed to make room in their build...OH LOOK! A real travel power again!
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First off, let me say, I've never had these OMG, I can't handle the END Issues, issue, that other players have had. However, that's not to say I didnt take Fitness by 22/22 either. I did! This is just saying those who have the "OH NO" before Stamina, and still complain afterwards.
That said, I love the news! this will make filling out my concepts so much easier if they do it the way I think they will!
Swift/Hurdle at level 6 (1 slot, enhanceable)
Health at level 14 (1 slot, enhanceable)
Stamina at level 20 (1 slot, enhanceable)
Yup, it won't be freeing up slots, but I don't care! This will allow me to take powers on builds, to fit my concepts! I know my Stalker will love this for the PvE Build!
Physical Perfection (not only a concept power, but a great one at that), Fast Healing (I had to skip it for Health to make room for other concept powers) AND FLY or HOVER (I kinda want her to be a SLOOOOW flier, but still able to just a bit).
Though is this for i20 or i19? I really hope this is for i19!
i19 Fitness is Inherent! Would be a cool issue to be just for this fact! -
Quote:You know. I just don't see it as farming. I'm not saying they won't be repeating it every two days, but farming just doesn't seem the right word for it.Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
That's a fair point, Geko. I'll concede that they have built in a reason to repeat the mission, and I'm sure that in due time it will be missions plural.
That said, they'll never be able to add enough morality missions to avoid a sense of deja vu, especially for those who are farming this system on their 50s. Presumably that'll become less of an issue when I19 provides new things for 50s to do.
Not when it takes you two days to get it. And you can only buy one hero a merit a day. If anything, it's farming that people would be doing, so they can get the merits/influence to buy a hero merit a day. -
Quote:No character developement? It had character developement. It just wasn't all big, complicated and the whole of the movie.Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
It's not surprising. Just look at the schism we had in these forums alone in my SP vs The Expendables thread.
Many posters said they refused to see SP because it was
A) To much like a rom com
B) Did not like Cera
C) Conflicted ideas on who the target age was
D) Did not feel the movie was "manly" or had enough action.
E) Did not like that type of movie (They hate fun?)
F) Any combination of the above.
I mean, this should have been shoe in on the boards and it failed even that.
It's frustrating that such a good movie was out done by Eat Pray Love and Vampires Suck, much less an action movie that had the flimsiest story with no character development. Yet, there we go. At least I can understand why the Expendables beat out SP in the end, even if I disagree with that.
A merc goes back to rescue a girl, not for the money, but basically to save his soul. The scene with Mickey Rourke explains that, and was quite touching.
Was it the focus of the movie? Nooo. And it was never intended to be the sole focus of the movie. -
Just like to add, I'm okay with SB giving out a bit less ENDREC and +RCH for a 4minute duration!
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Quote:She has a point.Originally Posted by LISAR
Couldn't you have made that the body of the mail?
They probably don't even use the forum. -
Dual Pistol/Armor Praetorian Epic AT?
New buff/debuff powerset for Corrs and Defenders that emulates Armor class well enough to give people what they've been wanting?
Okay...those may just be me.
My guess...more power customizations, and they'll be in the game BEFORE i19! -
Quote:the last from Apex, is exactly why I hated the Blue King issues.Originally Posted by Jack Power
I think the Blue King issues were more inline with the players game as Horus, Apex and War Witch was supposed to be players in Paragon.
Top Cow was ok as well. In those storylines you got a better feel for the background of the main heroes and the history of Paragon City.
But as a player I liked the first line better as it showed the plights of a band of heroes just starting out. The very last page of #12 of the Blue King ones is my very favourite.
//Jack
Ruined the immersion for me on so many levels.
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Quote:For the slow recharging attacks, I'd say it depends on what you're going for.Originally Posted by Jabbrwock
The point depends on the particular power being used, obviously. A damage enhancement in Scrapper Headsplitter means a heck of a lot more than a damage enhancement Defender Neutrino Bolt, but (except for how often they get fired) a damage proc means the same thing in either one. Thus, damage procs are really nice in quick recharging filler powers like Neutrino Bolt or Gambler's Cut, or in damage fields, aura or otherwise, like Blazing Aura or Caltrops. They're probably not optimal for slow recharging heavy hitting powers, though. Damage proc in Nova = somebody's not quite clear on the concept.
You're setup fine in all the other areas of the power and havethat 6th slot available...that damage proc may be okay.
Comes down to build.
Always fun to put in AOE attacks though
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Kheldians for sure. They're just one ofthe ATs that just...makes me hate playing it. Okay, that's not true...I like playing them in human form. However, I HATE playing in Squid form, and Drawf form just bores me. And since I hate using the two forms, I feel like I'm neglecting the whole point of the AT...sooo...I just can't play them.
Masterminds go on that list as well. I got my Demon/Dark to 50, I loved my Demon/Dark, I was tanking with it, surviving lots with it. It just bored me. :/ *shrug* Not my style of play is all.
Trollers. Have 2 at 50, but while I know how good they can be and are...yeah, I've kinda just stopped with them. Like the MM, just not my style.
Everything else, I'm more than willing to play, though some of them still have issues. Love Dual Pistols and Fire Blasting blasting, I just don't feel as useful to the team. Scrapper brings damage and survival.
I find the fact that Scrappers survive better, brings more to the team.
Also, Blaster secondaries do tend to be suckie imo.
Defenders are no different than Corruptors to me...but with me being able to get a corr as a hero, I'll likely see less Defender usage, because I like having the attacks as a primary powerset.
I exemp for TFs a lot, and hate missing the attacks. -
Quote:You'd be wrong on the expendables.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
ok, chrome broached the topic, but which one would you say is better sho? or anyone else. I suspect that machete may be more my speed, not just because of michelle redriguez(though she does help), but because it seems to be a bit more balanced between hand to hand fights and gun battles, whereas expendables seems to be straight up gun-porn
Non gun fights happen quite a bit. It does a good mix of both. -
Heh...I would of thought it was more like this (as a previous poster said)...
Fans: OH You make it a movie and we'll see it over and over again!
Execs: Okay lets make it!
Fans: *waiting for download*
I can't help but hear so many times, "If you know were to look, you could of seen it already on the net for free!" Okay, maybe not SO MANY...but enough to figure, it's more than a handful.
I was PLANNING on seeing Scott Pilgram this weekend, but it was pulled from my local theater.
It was either see Expendables or Scott Pilgram, and I made my choice (and was quite happy with it). Just glad to see it doing better than A-Team and The Losers (two movies I still don't see why they didn't do that good in theaters).
I really didn't think Scott Pilgrim was going to do so well. Not after Kick-*** only made like 48 million in the US, and I heard much more hype on it, than SP.
And I saw Kick-*** two times in the theater! So, I know it got my support. Sooo...that means I'd likely support a sequal (assuming no recasting and all). -
I don't recall where the point was...but after so much damage enhancement in an ability (and it was lower than 95%...I want to say 85-88% or more)...the damage proc actually increased your damage about more than adding more +DMG (due to DR)...if I was reading the numbers in mids right.
That said...why do people like procs? You just got damage capped by that all to common Kin! That proc just went off! You just did damage over the damage cap! -
Quote:Well, it's a bug than needs to become a feature, for Stalkers as a whole or just for Burst. But that allows me to Hide - Burst - Placate - AS - whatever...and I feel like I'm doing a bit moreOriginally Posted by SkarmoryThePG
Last I checked, that is a bug.