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1 chance every 5 min is not farmable. At least not by one person unless they have dozens of accounts and enough computing power to keep them all going at the same time.

Why bother farming for on average 1 drop every 8 hours or so?

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To the players who farm the game for money, yeah, this is very farmable. They are able to set up whatever they are doing and go afk and earn them. It may not be as easy as it was before the newer changes to the pvp reward system, but its definately farmable and will be farmed.

See, before the players could manipulate the odds on getting a reward, now the devs have removed the ability to manipulate the chances in getting a reward by slowing down the kill pace when it comes to a single target. Its based off of luck now moreso than anything else.

Yeah, you could and can still increase the chance of a drop, but you need a lot of people to coordinate something like this. And I doubt that will happen. At least not to the extent to equal what the previous system use to reward anyway.

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So please tell me how the hell the new system is better than the old one.

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The new system is better than the one that's live right now.

I don't know why you think anyone else is comparing it to the system that came out with the PvPOs.

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Maybe, just maybe my comment was based on someone elses post. I won't name any names, as I don't think Stillhart would like it, or even quote him, that would be rude.

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Before, you had a 10 minute timer that reset all the [censored] time

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He is being willfully ignorant because its in his personal best interests to do so, consider it forum PvP.

You people with your ebil logic arguing that PVP IO prices will go down in price after the patch are rudely hindering his personal economy. Bad! Bad marketeers!


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So now you are resorting to belittling people because we post our transactions. Don't like it? Oh wait, I don't care if you do or don't. I would advise staying out of the market section if you feel myself and the others who post their accomplishments / transactions. I find it funny and I'm wanting to share that humor. Yeah, I guess if posting and sharing humor is ignorant, then yep thats what I am.

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I doubt they will drop much. Even standing around and waiting every 5 minutes in a farm situation, the drop rate is much lower than what the system was when it was introduced.

Even eliminating the timer resetting, you still have to wait 5 minutes no matter what, so the drops won't come any faster then they are now. The only good thing is the timer doesn't reset, so that may eliminate some of the timer resetting kills.

But either way, the market is still mine!



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You're stuck in a farm mentality. Forget about farming for a second and think about zone pvp. Before, you had a 10 minute timer that reset all the [censored] time. Now you have a 5 minute timer that triggers ONLY on kills and doesn't reset. Sounds like a significantly increased drop rate for people who don't farm.

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Even putting farming aside, the old system with the 10 minute timer still allowed you to defeat someone over and over again, regardless of reputation until you got a recipe. That 10 minute timer did not start until you was awarded the recipe.

Now with the new system, you kill someone 1 time and have to wait 5 minutes no matter if you received a recipe or not.

So please tell me how the hell the new system is better than the old one.

Better yet, let me know when you fill your recipe storage of 20 recipes up, in under 4-1/2 hours, then I will agree with you.

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some > none

And now the system provides incentive to engage in zone PvP, which was the original intention. More people PvP'ing = more recipes.

We'll see how many more, but I'm guessing prices will settle down somewhere between where they during Arena Farm '09 and where they are now.

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I doubt they will drop much. Even standing around and waiting every 5 minutes in a farm situation, the drop rate is much lower than what the system was when it was introduced.

Even eliminating the timer resetting, you still have to wait 5 minutes no matter what, so the drops won't come any faster then they are now. The only good thing is the timer doesn't reset, so that may eliminate some of the timer resetting kills.

But either way, the market is still mine!

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What is that red accolade power in your bottom tray?..has the "Boost endurance" symbol on it.

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I'm betting he has the Vanden icon pack.

Gaeas maybe?

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Correct!

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The changes make them farmable again, which means there will be more showing up on the market.

the drop chance doesn't need to change for players to generate more recipes.

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Comparing the old way they were famred to now, its still going to be far and few on the market.

Old way, you could get 700+ kills a hour and got 1-3 drops per hour

The new system, 11 kills per hour, I doubt very seriously that you will get 1-3 recipes per hour with the new system.

So yeah, drops will be very rare. And I will continue to make a dump load off of them.

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im just trying to figure out how they drop now...its clear they either took them out of the arena all together or their stil broke

course ya cant get a dev to comment on anything when they break stuff

grats to ya though...im saving mine for iss 16..by that time everything will double what your gettin

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It is fairly complicated but they do drop in the arena. Once the drop rate is updated with the version currently on the test server then you should see the drops come back.

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Please show me where the devs mentioned they are upping the drop rates on the PVP IOs, I would love to see this.

People keep saying they fixed the drop rate, they didn't fix the rate at which they drop. They changed the way they are awarded due to the 5 minute timer, and then the timer not resetting upon being defeated by the same person again. But this doesn't change anything, you still get a single chance for a recipe when you defeat someone. Then you have to wait 5 minutes to get another single chance.

So if you think this fix will increase the drop rates, you are wrong. Again, if a red name posted something saying they are increasing the drop rates I would love to see that post.

Man, I'm loving this market and of course I'm loving the devs for the changes they made.

Another day at the market!

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PVP Changes
[*]you defeat someone who has recently defeated you, this will no longer restrict you from receiving rewards from the PvP defeat. The PvP reputation timer is now no longer reset from a defeat that doesn't earn reputation.



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Wow, you eliminated the farming of PvP IO, and then you give us a way to farm them again.

Thanks!

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Huh. Why would removing the Fog of War be useful?

... unless... Maybe you can use it in the Shadow Shard?

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Its not very useful. If by 63 months, you don't know the zones enough to even care about the FOW, then maybe it will be useful, but for me, its a useless power.

The only reason it'll be any good for me, is if new zones are introduced and then I can use the power, but for what we have now, nah, won't help much.

But even still its a nifty concept and I'm sure I will make use of it.

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Does it really need it?

Jeebus, you can take a shower, PL some, grab some food, PL some, get drunk and then finally hit level 50, and all that is done in less then 5 hours.

I really don't think the AE system needs DoubleXP. And I honestly hope it doesn't get it. I would much rather see mainstream content get the DoubleXP that way it may entice people to run content now rather then the AE junk.

We need some serious help in the Market when it comes to recipes, and hopfully running real content will fill the markets for a little bit.

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You must be using a different market than me. There's MORE receipes on the market now than when that completely idiotic merits system was released.

Either that or I must be blind or something.

Now if you are talking about purples, you should have specified.

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Umm, yeah the market may have a ton of level 50 recipes. But try looking in the 20-35 range, its damn near dry. Why? because everyone is getting Powerleveld all the way to 50 and not doing any real content to get the mid level drops.

So yeah, my statement still stands.

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ok thanks for the posts guys, sry i am a energ/energy manip....

here is my build atm.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9252/pwoer1.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7551/power2.jpg

so yeah theres my build if anyone wants to cmment on it
and thanks for the info about difficulty lvl defintatly a good idea

btw where can i find a "hero corps analyst to lower my difficulty?

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Yeah this is exactly what I'm seeing on Pinnacle now in broadcast.

How do I slot this? How do I slot that?
Why are my circle things with numbers red and I can't use them?
When do I get my own mission?
Are there any other zones in the game?

Its a damn joke and this game has become a joke since the AE system. So flame me all ya want, you all know deep down its true.

All you see is people forming teams for AE farms, I very rarely see TFs starting up, but they do happen. You just have to be lucky enough to find the person forming up a TF through all the AE Farm teams forming in the global channels.

I was on a pug team today and 4 of the members, didn't have any enhancements, and didn't know jack about their characters, they were no help to me or the rest of the team so I quit and formed my own team. Inviting people I knew. Which I think pugs will never happen with me again unless I know the people I'm teaming with. Grant it, I run into these type of players every so often, but since the AE system, these "Totally PL'ed Noobs" are appearing more and more each day and at a rapid pace.

I really hope the devs do something about all of this, this game was once a great game and is turning for the worst in a sharp and fast manner. I know a lot of people use the AE system the correct way and enjoy it each and everyday, so these people will defend the system to the end, but the system seriously needs some help and love by the devs.

And until this is corrected, I don't see anything getting better in the future of this game.

Things that I think should be done:

1. Don't allow custom groups that don't contain Minions, Lts and Bosses. At least 1 enemy per rank. This will eliminate Boss Farms and Lt farms.

2. Award only half xp. The AE system was designed to allow us Publish and Share our stories. It wasn't given to us to Powerlevel as we see people have been doing.

Does it really need it?

Jeebus, you can take a shower, PL some, grab some food, PL some, get drunk and then finally hit level 50, and all that is done in less then 5 hours.

I really don't think the AE system needs DoubleXP. And I honestly hope it doesn't get it. I would much rather see mainstream content get the DoubleXP that way it may entice people to run content now rather then the AE junk.

We need some serious help in the Market when it comes to recipes, and hopfully running real content will fill the markets for a little bit.

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But if you're in zones fighting a few people or doing team pvp in arenas, do you generally have a better drop rate now?

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COmpared to the old drop rate system, hell no, you could have 20 people standing still and killing them every 5 minutes and still not come close to achieving the amount of kills you could with the old system.

So yeah, the new system will yield rewards based off of your State Lottery system. you will be lucky if you ever see one drop on you again like they use to. I'm betting you could try farming this for 3 hours and not get one.

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So, basically, me and a friend cant go into the Arena, whack the crap outta each other for half a hour, maybe get 1 or 2 of these things and call it a day?

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Well considering before you could keep killing each other until you did get a drop and then wait 10 minutes for the cool down timer, it will be far and few earned when you can only kill the same target once per every 5 minutes since the reward is now based off of the Reputation timer now.

Before you could kill someone 100-150 times and possibly earn 1-3 recipes, now you can only get 4 kills per 30 minutes in the arena, so as you can see your chances to earn a recipes have been drastically cut to a very slim chance to earn one now.

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Your picture compression quality is pathetic!!!

Your monies, however, are lawlsome!

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Since when does pic quality matter, I lowered it as low as I could get it so slower connections could view it. Not all of us can load a 1 mb file in a matter of seconds

I got 5 more, anyone need one?

All for sale for the low low cost of 1 billion. Just let me know

A Day at the Market

That is all!

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They just want them to not be farmable - drop rate, availability, and price be damned.

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What they should do is make them available to be bought somewhere ... increase supply = decreased profit = less farming. Only way to stop farming is to make it not as profitable.

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A few ways to do this would be:
[*] Bounty System: Allow us to earn and save bounty when loggin off the game or moving to another zone. Once we achieve a certain amount of bounty, we can use the bounty to purchase the PvP IOs. This will entice people to PvP.
[*] Reputation: Increase reputation higher than 400 and allow us to earn and save reputation when loggin off or moving to another zone. Once a certain reuptation is achieved we can turn in the reputation for PvP IOs.

This is just 2 ways to allow us to purchase them through PvP. I'm sure others may have some suggestions as well.

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PVP Changes[*]Fixed a bug where you could sometimes attack a player as they respawn in an Arena match.
[*]Changed Dominator PVP damage bonus to compensate for the improved base damage.
[*]Fixed a bug where mez powers in PvP zones that were affecting NPCs were being limited to four seconds in duration.
[*]Fixed PvP rewards to function once again. Now, influence, inspirations, and other normal rewards occur on every PvP kill, while PvP IO recipes can only be rewarded on rep-valid kills.
[*]Fixed rep-validation to function in arenas, even though it doesn't give you any reputation in arenas.
[*]Also lowering the rep timer from 10 minutes to 5 minutes.[/LIST]

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Wow, look at all the remaining PvP IOs being bought up....can we say huge profits!

Good going for those who got the cheap bids in. All I know is the Villains side is damn near dried out already...lol

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When ever I run 2 accounts which ever one I'm not currently on keeps disconnecting I have tried lowering my fps and sometimes it help but not always any ideas?

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After following the previoes instructions here, also do this...


Go to your desktop and right click the "My Computer' icon.
Go to Properties.
Go to the Advanced Tab.
Look at the Performance section and click Settings.
Go to the advanced Tab.

Under the Processor Scheduling check the Background Services radio button and then click Apply then click Ok, reboot your machine and give it a shot.

This will normally correct this issue you are having. This is basically telling windows to split the processor resources between both instances of your game.

Providing you have enough Ram and CPU power, you should be fine after making this change.

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Just to toss a couple numbers into the mix:

Using Total Focus since it has the exact same Act and Recharge available to both blasters and tankers:

Tanker: 197 dmg
Blaster: 240 dmg

While Blasters get overall more damaging attacks, and more high damage attacks, they're at most definitely not at double the damage of tanks. Not sure how that relates to lower damage tank sets versus lower damage blaster sets though.

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By comparing a single attack it doesn't look like much. But when you look at DPS, the blaster does a helluva lot more damage output than a tank ever could. Not to mention the tank need to be in melee as where a blaster does not.

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As for Hitpoints:

Tanks HP: 1874, 3212 capped
Blaster HP: 1204, 1606 capped

So even if both were running 50% resist due to DR, tanks at HP cap still have twice the effective hitpoints. That's also not counting any Regen bonuses, since tanks would be regen'ing twice the hitpoints.

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With the damage output a blaster has, the extra hp the tanker has won't make a difference to the blaster. I've fought many brutes and a few tankers and my blaster has had no problems.

Well it depends on what tanker you are speaking of, you guys may want to check that, because my Fire tank and my WP tanker have less than my blaster. My blaster even has better resist to Fire/Cold/Energy/Neg Energy well not on Fire compared to my Fire tanker, but the rest he has better resist.

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Tanks have HP

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And your point? So does every other AT in this game. But if you mean Tanks have more HP, then big deal, the blaster puts out 3 times as much damage as a tank could ever do, so that little bit of HP won't mean a thing to a blaster.

All tanks are in pvp is a squishy with extra hp.

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This has nothing to do with the discussion, but since you're reading this thread: Beef, I need some help with my BH.com login name as my email address has changed. I tried to make contact a few times since January with your crew but haven't gotten a response. PM me if you wanna help, don't if you're intentionally avoiding me in order to keep me off the top ten badgers' list.

There. Now, back to the conversation.

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I cant pm you, your box is full. Send me a pm.