Aura_Familia

Originally Posted by Silverado

Yeah, except Rad is significantly better than Dark at debuffing regen, and just about on par at damage debuffing. Dark is better at to-hit debuffing, I'll give you that.

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

We're getting more slots with the incarnate system.

Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer

I love those though! Yes, in a gameplay stance, it's annoying, but in a RP way, it makes sense. If there was a bomb in your office, you'd panic too, right?

Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION

read, pay attention and think first before you post replies in the future.

i'll simplify things for you and your funny logic.

you call me a "troll" for pointing out an "asinine" system and wanting tangible rewards with reasonable timers and cost

but

you who called me a "troll" is now in another thread pointing out an "asinine" system and wanting tangible rewards with reasonable timers.

so

if complaining about a game system makes one a "troll" as you say then by your own definition we are both in the same boat. funny how that works out huh?

but

just keep on trying to insult others for complaining until it suits your purpose to complain.



all in all though i'm really glad to see some real logic being used by you about this pvp topic.

Originally Posted by Anti_Proton

I don't think the Devs want to alienate any group of players. Since PVP exist as part of the game, they will want to make it as good as possible. By saying that they aren't concerned about it because they haven addressed it yet just falls into the fallacy as the OP.

Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION

yes it wouldn't do anything except get rid of some current subscribers and their friends, have one less feature than other "mainstream" mmos, prevent potential customers who have some interest in pvp from joining and alienate more and more people when they get bored with pve or see pvp as endgame content.

i think you are missing the parts where i'm quoting positron, just sayin'


edit- who really has their head in the sand like a certain bird? me or the development team that created this "asinine" pvp system who made promises to paying customers but never followed through?

Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION

memphis bill i'm really liking how you agree with me about pvp almost 2 years after our initial i13 beta song and dance. it's really awsome.

aura familia i'm just wondering how you can call me a "troll" for pointing out the poorly thought out hvam system and was looking for something more reasonable but you are now here wanting "tangible rewards on reasonable timers" and complaining about the "many asinine i13 pvp rules". pot calling the kettle black?

it is very interesting how some of you feel entitled to complain or oppose a game play mechanic when it suits your purpose but are problematic and insulting when others complain or oppose something.

all very cute though, glad to see more objective thought, and more people wanting better pvp mechanics and rewards at a reasonable rate.

Originally Posted by Reiska

There's at least one moral choice mission in Praetoria which requires you to kill an Elite Boss and explicitly does not allow you to team.

Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe

Saying it is just one power is understating just a bit. It's one power that every powerset is forced to take. Even so, however, it in and of itself does not define us as an archetype.

The ability to crit from hidden status, however, is half our inherent. Take that away and we'd be weak scrappers with a placate and a very bleh melee snipe that everyone would likely skip.

I have no opinion as of now on lowering the hide timer. I'm leaning heavily towards it not being necessary, but if I had to choose between improving the archetype via more opportunities to exploit hidden status or improving the archetype by improving random criticals, I would choose the former every day and twice on Sunday. The ability to control when and when we get criticals is the only thing we get that's unique to us.

Fortunately, simply improving the crit damage across the board will satisfy both options. I'd still prefer that to a straight up damage buff or a survivability buff because I don't think we need any more encouragement to scrap. Scrapping for stalkers should be a means towards increased damage through criticals. It shouldn't be the bread and butter of the powerset the way it is for scrappers and brutes.

Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie

You clearly do not understand the hoarding mentallity I and others have.

What if i'll need them later?

Originally Posted by kinaki

Not to be confrontational, but how can anyone like those clockwork sound effects; most notably, the sound for that one attack on lieutenants where his backpack lightning rod thing discharges. It's just a loud distorted mess.

Originally Posted by Jophiel

That's why companies have community reps/managers.

Originally Posted by dave_p

I play neither EM stalkers or brutes, but my 2nd 50 ever was a Fire/EM tank, so this is all from a tanker's perspective.

First some tanker DPA numbers (base damage at 50 w/Arcanatime):

Old ET: 170.77
New ET: 69.86
TF: 46.15

Some other heavy hitters as a comparison:
Incinerate: 60.17
KO Blow: 66.66
Clobber: 89.47
Seismic Smash: 92.30

And for the hell of it, the rest of EM:
Barrage: 37.07
EP: 42.13
BS: 42.52
WH: 16.85

Barrage, EP & BS are more or less normal. Barrage used to be worse than Brawl, but thankfully, it's merely a typical sucky T1 tanker attack. EP & BS are nothing to write home about, but are adequate filler attacks.

Whirling Hands is a joke. All the "Whirling" attacks are terrible, but the weapon sets have cones to supplement their AoEs. But fine, EM is a ST "specialist", right?

TF's DPA of 46.15 is also pretty disgraceful, even w/the mag 3 stun. Look at Clobber.

ET's DPA of 69.86 is actually pretty damn good for a tanker, but no longer warrants the self damage. Consider Clobber again or Seismic Smash. Clobber also recharges faster (16 vs. 20). Incinerate is lower DPA, but recharges in 10 sec and no self damage. In fairness, ET's DPE is fantastic, which I guess is the rationale behind the continuing self-damage, but I'd at least trade for some higher end cost for a faster animation.

EM is not the ST king and hasn't been for a while. Both Fire & Stone outdamage EM, and let's not even talk about AoE damage. Control through stuns are also shaky, since Stone Melee will have better controls while outputting better ST damage (admittedly, Stone may have even worse AoE damage than EM). Again, no other set does self-damage. So what exactly is EM's attraction again?

If it's going to be stuns, I like the idea of making Stun a minor AoE. Giving it Clobber damage would also help overall ST DPS while increasing the stun quotient.

If it's going to be ST damage, we need to return to ET's original animation, or closer to it. That's prolly never going to happen (the old DPA was kinda ridiculous), but keeping the self damage is just an insult. TF getting a new animation to bump its DPA over 55 would be another solution. In fact, giving TF ET's current animation would bump its DPA to 54.54, which would be respectable and the animatino would be more fitting IMO. Then lower ET's animation to about 2s to get its DPS up to Seismic Smash territory and EM's back to being king of ST damage.

If we're going to address the AoE damage, giving TF Thunderstrike's splash damage (but w/stuns instead of KB) sounds like a pretty good option.

Whatever the solution is, EM needs help. I've been playing my Fire/EM for the first time in years because of the recent buffs to Fiery Aura. I lead off most fights w/Burn now and rely on Fireball & Fire Blast from my epics and use EP to beat on single things. I cringe when I have to go into my ET/TF animations, even though they offer superior DPA to EP or Fire Blast.

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

Originally Posted by KillerShrike

Whichever character seems to be getting beat up the fastest, and then the next and then the next, and so forth.