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Really? This is the best you've got? From the EULA:

"(a) Eligibility. By clicking the "I Accept" button you represent that you are an adult 18 years of age or older or, if under 18 years of age, that you have the consent of a parent or guardian and will provide their details where requested. Those who have completed these steps and who maintain their Account in good standing are sometimes referred to in this Agreement as "Members." "

Basically, the child shouldn't have been clicking the "I Agree" button without a parent's consent. And any lawyer would tell you the same.



Why do you think they give you a free month? Could it be for just this reason???? If you bought a box of the game, you got a free month of service. My cable company sure wasn't that nice to me when I signed up. Neither was my electric company. and I had to pay both a startup fee.

Because most of the data is located on their servers. You need to be online to access their servers. Except for character data, what's on your computer is a fraction of what you need to actually run the game. Purchasing the game covers a lot of the development costs of the game. The subscription pays for server maintenance and upgrades, program stability and bug fixing, and if the Devs are generous, continued content generation. However, if it was just subscription costs, they'd never have been able to pay back the development loans/costs.


Can you prove this? Because I'm pretty sure that it HAS been tested, and that the service providers were found to be within the bounds of law.

Anyone who bought this game and didn't think that it was a service-based game was either a) ignorant, or b) couldn't read. If you bought the box, you should have READ the box, which would have spelled most of it out for you.


Like I said, go ahead. Waste a ton of your money doing so. I eagerly await the crow I'll have to eat. Oh wait, I won't have to eat any, because you're wrong, it's been proven that you're wrong, and judges and juries back up that you're wrong.

Ignorance is not a valid legal defense. You could have read and disagreed then, but you didn't. This is exactly like choosing not to follow a speed limit sign that you saw because you "just wanted to drive."

Also, they don't have legal standing, as they can't show harm.

Laws are sometimes reactive, and sometimes proactive, depending on the law. Laws can also be interpreted to have an impact on something that wasn't around when the law was enacted. EULAs can fall into this category if you consider them a general contract. Contract law was around well before EULAs, and can hardly be said to be reactive when applied to them. Torts are a different case entirely. However, considering that the game client is free, the following case law can apply:

"Further, in ProCD v. Zeidenberg, the license was ruled enforceable because it was necessary for the customer to assent to the terms of the agreement by clicking on an "I Agree" button in order to install the software. In Specht v. Netscape Communications Corp., however, the licensee was able to download and install the software without first being required to review and positively assent to the terms of the agreement, and so the license was held to be unenforceable."

Now, you can make a case that since you bought the box, that you didn't have the chance to download it first before you bought it. That still doesn't mean that you couldn't have done that. You could have installed the game client, read the agreement, and then purchased the game before you logged in. I'm sure that people have done this. As such, since NCSoft gives you the ability to read the agreement before you buy the game (it's also up on their website), the EULA that is in-game would be considered an enforceable contract.

And before you say something stupid like, "people don't read the EULA before buying a game," I'll warn you that I did this exact thing, because I wanted to know what I was signing up for.

If the content is server-based, then that is an unreasonable expectation. That is like asking to be able to view yesterday's television lineup after it has happened. MMORPGs also don't advertise that you will be able to play without access to the servers, so there's no false advertising there. And once you read the EULA, you'll find that your expectation would not happen, so suing based on it won't get you anywhere.

The lawyers may take the case, but would tell you not to advance with it as soon as they read the EULA, which you have to agree to before you even login. Even if you think that an EULA isn't legally binding, which the jury is still out on, the EULA educates you to the fact that a subscription will be required.

Heck, I think it was mentioned on the side of the box, too.

In short, you don't have a case. But if you want to waste money, go ahead and hire a lawyer.

Good luck with that. I don't know of any law that would prevent this kind of thing from happening, because with the free month, you have a month to educate yourself about the policy. Or, knowing that it's a subscription-based game, you shouldn't be surprised that it comes with a subscription cost.

1) But THEY'RE not turning it off: you are.

No, what they are saying is that once you get a character on a live server up to the level that you want to really focus on his build, you can copy it to the test server, and try things out before you do it on the live servers, where it's a bit more permanent and costly.

I'd like people to learn how to spell archetype. I mean, it's not like it's not posted correctly in several places on the forums.

To be truthful, though, if you log directly into the "English" forums, you don't ever see that area. Took me a while to find it, and I knew that it existed.

I think his problem is more that the prices are so out of whack with what they should be that it would cost way too much to get back that functionality, and you're only renting some of it.

That said, I don't know why they wouldn't hold to every other secondary/primary conversion when you go from Brutes to Tankers. Basically, Brute values are 75% of Tanker values.

As such, you have the following numbers:

Brute Values

Focused Fighting, Focused Senses, Evasion: 13.9%
Agile, Dodge, Lucky: 5.63%
Elude: 45%


Tanker Values

Focused Fighting, Focused Senses, Evasion: 18.53%
Agile, Dodge, Lucky: 7.5%
Elude: 60%

It also shouldn't have any impact on V-Ger coming back.

In addition to that gaping plot hole, did anyone else find it weird that the Romulans that got pushed back in time were so mad at the Vulcans? I mean, the Vulcans were coming to save them. They might have been a bit late, but they were still trying. It's not their fault that the star went supernova.

If my entire civilization had been destroyed by a supernova, and I had gotten thrown back in time, my first priority wouldn't be to take vengeance on the people who were trying to help me. It probably would've been to go and warn my civilization, or maybe try to work on something that could save them.


Still, given that the Romulans in this timeline should be at least semi-aware of their impending doom, having them be a little bit more aggressive as they try to find places that will be safe might not be a bad plot line.

That's not a bug. You might not like it, but I've never heard that it's supposed to just pop into your power tray. No other inherent power does that.

As for the rest? Yeah, it's still in Beta. Not on the test server. The Beta server. The Devs shouldn't have everything done on the Beta server. That's where it goes for stress testing and the identification of bugs that they couldn't find with a small group. When it goes to the Test server, that's when it should have most of its bugs worked out.

For Defenders and Corruptors, I think any set without redraw, possibly Rad Blast or Elec blast will work well because of their PBAoE attacks. For Controllers, I think that Elec control would work well, due to similar melee-draining/debuffing goodness. For MMs, any Melee pet set.