Techbot Alpha

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

VEATs? I find uninspiring, boring, tedious, a waste of half the levels gained, and just plain *not fun.* Not because "zomg they're so powerful" or any nonsense like that. Most of the time when I hear how 'great" VEATs are, it's followed by one of three things:
"... in groups" (so they're buffbots,) or
"... with other VEATs" (again... buffbots,) or
"... when I IO'd them out for capped X Y Z" (yay you?)

My reaction playing them has generally been - and I believe I mentioned this before - "Why didn't I just roll another stalker?" Doing that and taking leadership nets the *same thing* for all intents and purposes without a crap "storyline" that the dev team should be ashamed of. Except, of course, you get better stealth. And an early placate. And more options. And you don't have to re-figure your build at 24 (twice, if you decide to try a dual build.)

I don't find them powerful, I don't find them enjoyable, I don't find them "well made" ("tight, uncompromising build," perhaps) and I don't find them *fun.*

Originally Posted by Flarstux

I personally believe that HEATS would be much cooler and feel less like fail if there were more alternate forms. Instead of just squid and crab, why not also have puppy and unicorn and bowling ball and William Shatner forms? (I picked bowling ball to compensate for the complexity of the puppy form animations and because many of the bowling ball animations can be re-used for the William Shatner form as well. As for the unicorn form, Charlie the Unicorn is the perfect model, so there's half the work done already.)

Of course even if those had been available when I was leveling my WS I'd probably still have gone with human form because even when using no alternate forms the feelings of fail were so minimal as to be virtually nonexistent. As for PBs, however... I got mine to 12 and rerolled him as a FF/Energy defender.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

That palce where those well-oiled buff guys in leather manskirts hang out with each other?

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

The saddest part of Jump Bots is that there's almost never a situation where they need to jump.

Originally Posted by LordXenite

Originally Posted by Lazarus

As for desirability, after I've run out of non-epic ATs I'd rather invite Khelds than VEATs when given the chance. A large part of that is because I run into a lot of friendly Khelds while every other VEAT is a friggin' primma donna who thinks that the entire team is there to cater to them and that they don't need to listen to the leader at all because they're EPIC.

I don't care if your VEAT can solo +4/x8 missions, if you're going to be a jerk as well then your presence is not wanted.

Originally Posted by MissInformed

Wow, someone gave me negative feedback saying, "Overreactionary posts like these are why we can't have nice things."

If you think my post was "overractionary," I'm envious of your very calm world. What do you do to the poster's who actually call people names, use all caps, and call down doom on everything?

Originally Posted by Lazarus

They also create a lot of those really trampy costumes.

Etiquette Tip: Just because you're playing an Epic Archetype doesn't mean that you get to call the shots and can ignore the team leader. There are way too many n00bs out there with these characters who don't actually know how to play the game yet think that they are experts.

Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning

only a handful of melee AT's are able to ignore PPD's glue guns in the mid 30's, and CoT are a nightmare from 1 - 40, which is hilariously true bluesdie as well. In addition there are FAR more debuffing enemies redside as well. . .

Originally Posted by Eiko-chan

A very hero-centric discussion this has been.

Some stun, sleep, or hold-protection IOs to go with the KB IOs would be very nice, especially villainside where probably 25% or more of the story-arc content involves running against Longbow, who, starting around level 30, commonly have two or more mezzers per spawn, even on low difficulty (Nullifiers and Spec Ops).

My character with a small amount mez-protection (/Traps MM) treats Longbow no different from any other group; they're no more or less annoying than anything else. My character with no mez-protection (/Dark MM) treats Longbow as a huge annoyance I have to muddle through to get content done (Patron Arcs being a huge example here), and even though she carries around multiple break-frees all the time, sometimes they're not enough, and sometimes I don't have enough of them to last through a mission.

There's something wrong with mez when specific enemy groups - including one that features in a huge portion of redside content - drastically change the perceived powerlevel of a character. I'm comparing apples to apples here; against groups without a lot of mez, both my MMs feel about the same in power. Against groups with a healthy supply of mez, suddenly the /Traps MM feels a heck of a lot more powerful than the /Dark. A difference of powersets should not make that big of a difference. There is something wrong with this system.

Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

LX, the following post is NOT an attack on your opinion about kheldians. It is only an exercise is pointing out the different views folks have about them.

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Translation: PBs are welcome when the team needs a pad.


Translation: You never know what you're going to get with a Khel due to the sloppy design of the AT.


No translation needed.


Translation: Sometimes a Khel can outshine a player of a regular AT, but please keep in mind that there are bad builds and bad players out there.


Translation: Due to the klunky design, long shift animations and poor to situationally decent DPS, Khels are at a disadvantage at the get go.


The devs made VEATs after learning from all the mistakes they made making HEATs. They realized that the majority of the playerbase didn't want Epic to mean Annoying and Situational.


There are days I really enjoy my warshade. After stygian circle (quite possibly the best power in the entire game) a warshade can be fun. There's even a video out there of a human/dwarf 'shade succeeding at the RWZ challenge by leaning heavily on eclipse and dwarf.

I have yet to see a PB do it. I hope one day PBs are brought up to so that they can at least do what WSs can do: Have the *potential* to be powerful.

Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit

To whomever left me the charming "myxomatosis" comment: at least turn your rep system on so I can see if it was good or bad rep. And for the record, I have never mixed my toes, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Heart Attack

While I see your point that about KB being in there to mitigate a power, if I as a play find it annoying and want to "waste" several slots making it remove that annoyance from myself why shouldn't I be able to?

After all I'm not forcing you to "ruin" your play by using -KB, you pay to play and can choose to ignore them same as I can choose to use them.

Yes KB has it's place and it can be used constuctively, but it can also be a nusance. Simply because you are happy with it doesn't mean everyone is and doesn't mean you are right to dismiss the idea.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

or out and out hitting people with your gun are just cheap. If you're gonna' use a gun, frikkin' USE it!