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Quote:Sounds like you yanks would get very confused on Union thenOriginally Posted by The_Masque
I actually think you probably were not a victim of sabotage but of people not paying attention/being new to the trial.
By doing the outside then the courtyard then jumping back to do the guns, I bet you confused some of the players who have run this a lot. Intuitively it makes more sense to work in rings from the outside then inwards: outside-> guns-> courtyard.
we always do Outside-> Courtyard->Guns. Just...because, I guess *shrugs* I guess it makes sense for us to go Ground floor and then up, since the towers are higher.
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Voodoo is undead! Burn him/her/it!
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Quote:^ this, /signed, nowOriginally Posted by Forbin_Project
They could use the old Matrix Room they had for the Arena.
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Quote:You really want to bet on that?Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i believe the issue with praetorian zone events and mm pets has been fixed by now
Pet A.I. is still borked since they brought demons in, which made every pet set hellbent on running in to punch warwalkers in the kneecaps. -
Quote:I'd say about 15-20 of mixed by now, at least on Alpha.Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
Just out of curiosity, how many times is that? 3? 10? 30?
I was trying to see if not dying on my WS would produce better results....and then the Lambda turrets one shotted me from across the map
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Re: Incarnate Trials
1) +4 (+3 with current level shift) enemies that have a heavy focus on Lts and Bosses, nearly all of which focus heavily on AoE damage.
2) Higher accuracy than all other mobs in the game, with abilities and pets that buff accuracy.
3) Broken pet A.I. that makes battle drones run in to punch Warwalker bosses in the kneecaps, often getting one shot killed when said boss falls on them. These are ranged pets. They should stay at range without needing second-in, second-out commanding.
4) Lambda tunnels stage that simply doubles points 1-3 to the point of absolute frustration, effectively neutering my entire primary.
Now, the 5th point may well just be anecdotal or sheer bloody bad luck. But every, and I do mean every reward table Alpha has got on a succesful trial has been Common. Every. Bloody. Time.
I don't want or need commons. Commons I can craft by the boatload with every BAF or Lambda. What I need is the Rare and Very Rare table, so I have some hope in hell of having an even fight against the mobs, who'll still always end up +1 to me. But that at least I could handle.
And now I keep seeing mention of the fact that the 'random' drop table might actually be weighted on 'participation'.
So, if this is in fact true, what the bleeding hell am I doing wrong? I'm attacking and flying and doing everything possible every stage of the way in both trials. Am I not doing enough damage? Do my traps not count? Do my pets, my entire damn primary, even count? I've seen mention that pet damage isn't counted. Any idea if thats true?
Usually I wouldn't mind. RNG is RNG, and I know how fickle it can be. But for every run to be common, without fail? Not even uncommon? And for other people to get Rares and V.Rares on a seemingly consistent basis?
Just what the frag is going on with this? Because I'm fast becoming sick and tired of what ammounts to a giant bird-flip in the face of what was my favourite character. -
Quote:BAF is far, far preferable to Lambda on my MM, simply because theres less chance for it to screw me.Originally Posted by Zyphoid
I have seen MMs that were awesome in these trials, so I can't agree with this. I know I am always glad to end up paired with one during the escape phase of the BAF.
This is end game content, and I personally feel it should have been created with IO balance in mind, and not the SOs that the rest of the game is built around. I know I am not alone in this notion because it was discussed multiple times during beta.
Beating up the mobs, then AV is easy. Breaking LoS with the towers isn't too hard.
Prisoner stage is a turkey shoot. I just sit the boys on the verge, set them to stay and aggressive, and go lay traps, and traps, and traps.
Boom. Dead, dead mobs.
Siege? Easy enough. And then mop up stage is alright too.
Lambda, however, is where it gets freaking ugly. First two stages? Easy.
Then we get to the fun part. Where everything dies, all the bloody time. Running through tight corridors with pets with the I.Q. of something scraped off the bottomf of my boot and +3 mobs that are LT and Boss heavy, to the point of one shot capability. THAT is NOT fun. It is frustrating to the extreme, to the point that my death down below meant I went and set up my pets in a dance line behind the bridge, to get into Marauders cutscene.
And then the final stage. Lets just shell anyone at long range with artillery. Because we can. Not for, y'know, any good reason. Just to be a complete pain in the @rse for an MM trying to resummon pets after the inevitable 'screw you' from the Boss mobs and their stupid ammounts of AoE.
So, yeah. My experience with ITrials with Alpha has not been the happiest, lets put it that way. -
More search parameters for the LFG would be handy, aye.
Or a TP power to the RWZ given to people who...do something, I dunno. Being Incarante seems like a bit of a bum move, given how useful it could be.
Something like that though
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Quote:Is 30 seconds honestly that horrific to you? If so, you have an incredibly low tolerance threshold.Originally Posted by baron_inferno
So I should inconvenience myself by wasting 30 seconds per trial toggling powers on and off or risk being petitioned? This despite the fact that I'm using my toggle powers in a fashion that is consistant with its original intended purpose. Yeah, I'm glad that your convenience supercedes my convenience. It's almost as if it's my fault that your machine can't handle the graphical burden.
The moment you back your requests for others to be considerate of your needs with actual threats, it ceases being reasonable. It's flat out intimidation with no logical basis and reeks of selfishness. Thanks but no thanks.
As an MM, I spend that ammount of time every trial anyway setting up pets.
(Due to the ammount of times the persistent pet bug has rendered them immobile nad unfunctioning on zoning, I do it every time now)
So, taking 30 seconds to save someone a potentially lengthy crash, DC and re-load?
And, really, none of this would be an issue if the RWZ had a teleporter itself to make it easier to get to... -
I think Wyld Fire is the one I'm happies with, although thats a close tie with Umbral Nightwalker, my Nictus
I like most of my char names. They have to have an RP concept and decent name before they even make it past the CC
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Quote:I don't think anyone would object if there wasnt the power spam that is causing those with lower end rigs (ditto that I personally haven't found that, not on my new rig, but I can easily imagine it given the state my old rig was in...)Originally Posted by Detective_Zero
I can't argue for or against that point because honestly I haven't experienced any such lag. But let's not forget that this whole thread started with one person suggesting that other people find somewhere else to go besides Pocket D - to relocate rather than just be mindful of powerspamming the server to death. There's a big difference there and I think any reasonable person could see how that request, regardless of its phrasing, was GOING to ruffle some feathers.
But, judging from the replies here, that isn't an option, due to 'to much hassle'.
So, what else are those with a problem meant to do, when polite requests to de-toggle problem powers are met by "Tough, suck it, lolRP!"? -
Causing lag and potential DC's for those with rigs that can't handle that stuff is a hassle for them. If those with toggles and suchnot are then asked politely to turn them off, and refuse, that then isn't minding their own business, thats causing a problem for someone else by refusal.
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Quote:Oh wow, nice strawman there.Originally Posted by Detective_Zero
In other words, you feel more entitled to be in Pocket D - especially more than someone not playing CoH the way *you* prefer to play it...regardless if they are a paying subscriber with no more or less right to be there than you. OK.
I guess expecting people to have an adult, live-and-let-live attitude in this game is just too much to hope for.
I don't mind them being in Pocket D. I do that myself for raids.
I do mind people who then refuse to take into consideration the other people who might be there, because its too much 'hassle' for them to show the same consideration. -
This is true, but you can't mix and match the two.
Missing one component for an uncommon made of shard parts left me frustrated to the point I melted down all the components for use later and simply got it with threads.
That method works rather well, actually. For instance, it's actually far easier to get a Notice for a Rare than wait for one of the damn random as all hell tables (for me and some others, at least), or paying a silly ammount of Emp Merits. But it actually works out easier to use threads/components for the Common and uncommon tiers than shards (I found anyway) -
I'd happily do away with shards. Bloody things drop far, far slower than threads do, to the point where it IS faster to get 20 threads than 4 shards, and you can ONLY use shards for Alpha components.
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Quote:Given all that, then, why on earth does PD qualify?Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
No, the RWZ is for people who want to run the RWZ missions, Vanguard TFs and Mothership Raids. It's popular as a launching pad for Incarnate Raids because it's easy to get to, has all required facilities and is co-op but that does not make it a "raid zone".
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Quote:When a bunch of people are in one place, doing an activity, and have been doing so for a long time, for a second bunch of people to show up with no consideration for the others who were there is what is actually rude.Originally Posted by Detective_Zero
Suggesting someone should "go elsewhere" is rude, no matter how politely it is phrased. Period. Only someone with an extraordinary sense of entitlement would think otherwise.
Now, frankly, them being there isnt an issue. I use PD myself on Union, as do many others.
But telling the first bunch to 'get over themselves' just because they are RPers, or 'stop being special snowflakes' is just as rude and hypocritical as anything said to the contrary. -
Quote:That was a trick question, right?Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Well then enlighten us with all your inside knowledge. Or are you just talking to hear the sound of your voice?
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Quote:No.Originally Posted by galadiman
I find this humorous. "I want to RP... as long as there are no outside influences to affect my RP, which could enable me to react to the situation in an in-character sort of way. I want a very tightly controlled environment in which to RP. I'd like everyone to stand in a designated space, recite lines that I have specifically laid out, and not bring any random elements into this little space I have designated that might disrupt my elaborately staged reality."
Isn't RP, um, playing a role? Don't people react to the circumstances in which they find themselves?
So what you're looking for is the absence of any RP; instead, you'd like a set piece performance, which others are free to watch. Kudos! I'll be over here, not participating in that in any way.
What people are asking for is for people to not spam powers 'because they can'. And stuff like that.
A prime example was the Tool Of Christmas Past. He was bright green, dressed in a Santa outfit, and ran around the chalet with Whirlwind on. All the time. Purposefully shunting into groups of people. And no, this wasn't 'something to react to IC' this was someone purposefully being a d*uchebag, who even said he was just doing it to aggrivate people.
Thankfully, Avatea was nice enough to drop by and ban him, but I'd lay odds on him being back next year. Sadly.
So, no. RPers, in the vast majority, are not that banal. Those that are tend not to last long. -
Basically, pet A.I. has been all kinds of broken since Demons came out. Something they changed then brought back the 'run into melee' bugs for ranged pets that seemed to have been fixed before.
Now I find myself losing all three drones in one shot.
Because they were all in Melee.
And a Warwalker fell on them.
No, I'm not kidding
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Quote:Correct. However, thats not what was stated in the OP.Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
That's . . . NOT the tone I'm getting from this thread. What I'm getting and what someone actually said, is that since the RPers were in Pocket D first, they claim the exclusive right to keep using it.
Which to me is ******* asinine.
So, the asker realised it might be taken as being a tad assinine, but was respectful enough to word it nicely and say thank you.Quote:[Chat Channel]Xxxxxxxxx: i know this may be a bit <@*&$@#!>, but again, would like to ask if for the future pocket D would not be used for Trials, place is already laggy enough without people spamming powers. Thank you
I can pretty much guarentee the same would not be the true if situations were reveresed.
So, sure, it might not be 'right' for someone to ask that. But nor is it right for others to then slag them off because of a civil request.
Two wrongs don't make a right, after all. -
/Signed
It works very well for Valve and Team Fortress 2, I know that much. Heck, I think 1/3 to about 1/2 of their pieces are actually community made, all of very good quality.
Stuff can always be tweaked and purtied up if needs be, too. -
Quote:It would help if pets didn't have this overwhelming urge to be in melee when they are meant to stay the hell at range!Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Melee pets have always had this issue. I would suggest a chang in tactics rather than trying to change the game. I do not play MMs mainly because of a couple AOE attcks being able to decimate all my pets so I would not be the one to say what tactics work better however.
I'm tired of my Bots trying to punch warwalkers in the kneecaps, I really am... -
Quote:Union has plenty of that. Rp in missions, TF/SFs, bases, PD, RWZ, even a few IC things like mothership raids and such (wasn't there even a Hami once?)Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
Ahhh. Another roleplayer of similar mind. What server are you on? >.> Would love to stumble across some in character play (no--not ERP) someplace like the Midnighter Club or Vanguard Base that actually made contextual sense. The explanation of "putting ones feet up after a long day of heroing and villaining at the bar" is still strikes me rather silly stretch for what RP that some people take as very srs. (One thing I did really like about Champions btw was the gym they put in as an RP mini zone. It was great for pick-up sparring as well as a place that you'd more likely find several of my characters going to relax after a long day of heroing...)
Back to the main topic, despite my prior rants about the finer points of roleplay, those pointing out that pocket D in its disregard by the non-RP majority of the player population did become a defacto RP haven on many servers. Yes it is all "our" game, meaning those that run trials and RPers who don't run trials. I'm not sure if harmony will every be found, but polite mutual tolerance should be exercised at a minimum.
But yeah, a bit of common courtesy, and not telling people they are 'playing the game wrong!' would go a long way. -
Quote:This part is one big dollop of hypocrisy.Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
I have nothing against RPer but a statement like that is rediculous. What's next players suggesting that people stop using the AE building and the sewers in Atlas Park because it is causing lag and disrupting the costume contests? Your standing around at the bar basically typing back and forth to one another while WE are out doing missions and trying to improve our characters. And before the obvious argument gets posted to this thread.. YEAH AND WE PAY OUR MONTHLY FEES TO BE HERE TOO. Last I checked there was no sign on the entrances that said "for RP purposes Only"
"I have nothing against you BUT YOU'RE PLAYING THE GAME WRONG!!!"
For some people, level doesn't matter. Character development through RP is. 'Improving' a character may mean making them more mechanically efficient, or it may, for others, mean building them, developing them and having others interact with them.
On the flipside, who are You to say thats wrong?
'We pay our fees!' is the same ammount of steaming turd to an arguement as 'I'm an X months veteran who -insert rant here-'. The request was not unreasonable, nor was it rudely put. Coming here and then effectively slamming the person for 'having the gall to ask!' is little short of pathetic.
I hope you don't come to Union, is all I can say to that...