Mastermind Pets need AoE Immunity
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AzureSkyCiel,
Posted on: 2011-04-12 18:23 in Suggestions and Ideas
Masterminds won't get "AOE immunity" or anything close. They're too powerful through most of the game. Yes, endgame can be rough. So can dealing with demolitionists.
Melee pets have always had this issue. I would suggest a chang in tactics rather than trying to change the game. I do not play MMs mainly because of a couple AOE attcks being able to decimate all my pets so I would not be the one to say what tactics work better however.
Pets already take half damage from AoEs in trials.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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It would help if pets didn't have this overwhelming urge to be in melee when they are meant to stay the hell at range!|
Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Melee pets have always had this issue. I would suggest a chang in tactics rather than trying to change the game. I do not play MMs mainly because of a couple AOE attcks being able to decimate all my pets so I would not be the one to say what tactics work better however.
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It would help if pets didn't have this overwhelming urge to be in melee when they are meant to stay the hell at range!
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Especially in regards to the ones with the healing buffs. I'm frelling sick of having my gorram medic always being the first to die cuz he's always the first one to run into melee combat.
Basically, pet A.I. has been all kinds of broken since Demons came out. Something they changed then brought back the 'run into melee' bugs for ranged pets that seemed to have been fixed before.
Now I find myself losing all three drones in one shot.
Because they were all in Melee.
And a Warwalker fell on them.
No, I'm not kidding 
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
It would help if pets didn't have this overwhelming urge to be in melee when they are meant to stay the hell at range!
I'm tired of my Bots trying to punch warwalkers in the kneecaps, I really am... |
I know that Marcone Hitmen seem to have an AI program where they avoid melee as much as they can, and similarly, Sniper class critters seemed programmed to NEVER move from their spot, even after being taunted and the tank goes around the corner.
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Basically, pet A.I. has been all kinds of broken since Demons came out. Something they changed then brought back the 'run into melee' bugs for ranged pets that seemed to have been fixed before.
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Yeah, it's not just a MM thing. Pet AI needs work.
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That's why I suggested AoE immunity- at least in the trials. Someone said they already have half; apparently that's not enough.
The AI is wrecked. Ranged pets are in melee, and melee pets have the defense of a wet tissue.
Instead of completely redoing the AI and whatever else, wouldn't it be simpler to buff 'em a little, in trials?
I even had a raid leader say that MM's are worthless in the raids, because the pets are always dead.
Absolutely worthless. Too bad they didn't give MMs a secondary powerset. That'd help out, I'm sure. Why don't the devs think of these things?
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Snipers have an auto power that applies a mag 100 immob on themselves. It's not an AI thing.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
similarly, Sniper class critters seemed programmed to NEVER move from their spot, even after being taunted and the tank goes around the corner.
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Absolutely worthless. Too bad they didn't give MMs a secondary powerset. That'd help out, I'm sure. Why don't the devs think of these things?
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FF? Praet mobs have rediculously high acc anyway
TA? I think I'll let other people bring that one down in flame
Saying 'use your secondary' is like telling a Brute to rely on just their armour. It's annoying, doesn't fit the AT, and shouldn't be happening in the first place.
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And those are the only three MM secondaries, too!
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Because trying to lay traps near AVs is a surefire way to....get yourself killed.
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Can't say that I'd ever agree to giving them aoe immunity. But they could make all your pets the exact same level as you but keep the health and damage the same as the currently have at -2 -1 and 1. that way they aren't getting hit as much but they still have the same hit points and health.
When you're fighting +4s and your pets are already -2 or even -1 it makes them pretty vulnerable to anything.
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Mastermind pets are just too weak in their current state for any of the endgame content.
As a +1 Necro/Dark in BAF, zombies were worthless. They'd be dead before the summon animation finished casting.
Even the knights died from one hit.
Only the lich would last, and that was because he does everything at range. Once or twice he got too close to something while chasing his target a few feet and would instantly die.