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Originally Posted by TrueDarkLord

here is what i believe to be the ranking of AT's from best to worst in pvp nowadays..
1.MM's
2.Corrupters
3.Blasters
4.Dominators
5.Controllers
6.VEAT's
7.Tanks
8.Scrappers
9.Kheldians
10.Defenders

this is based on dmg output/survivability...

Originally Posted by black_barrier

you forgot the part about having your team forfeit a match if you had a TA, a cold and an ice dom on the opposing team.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

from my experience on an earth/nrg, in zone, i'd start with power push while moving in for a TF, hit TF while the target is kb'd. hold. bone smasher and followup with the t9 blast.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

stop expecting intelligence on behalf of the people that play this game, con.

Originally Posted by JamMasterJMS

Yes, I do mean cold/nrg defender.

specifically what epic pool for pvp on this toon.
I was thinkin electric for thunderstrike.
Powerboosted infrig and benumb might help set up for a spike. Along with powerpush.

Neither ally shields nor frostwork will be takin.

Originally Posted by Not_Epsilon

If GR allows stalkers to switch sides, ASing shark spamm'ers is going to be hella fun .

Originally Posted by black_barrier

real men play ice/ice doms.

Originally Posted by Dahjee

I don't disagree Mac. I think the return you suggest is based on an indiviual return though. If I'm building a solo toon to fend for himself, (likey Redside) I pretty much keep all the things you suggested in mind when creating a build. I PvP Spec the toons I've PvE'd with for years the same way however, regardless of whether or not the common trend suggests it to be a good or bad idea. Very much like you I imagine.

I don't PL though... Just unlucky or what ever I suppose. (Actually laughed at for trying to level certain builds that stand solid to this day) So most of my toons have endured weeks, months, or years of PvE'ing before IO'ing and readying them for PvP. Because of this I sometimes forget I'm a PvP vet, and I seek to acheive the same role in PvP as I do in PvE. This leads me to assume that perhaps to recruit and interest more PvPers... we must find way to allow them to fufill their designed PvE purpose. I think we can agree that the roles needed for PvE success are also useful in PvP. Perhaps coach Zone as an intro to PvP allowing one to make the most out of a build they may have come to love... then let them know what they'll need to reroll in order to compete in arena.




How many ST attacks do you need to when you outrange your opponent by 100 ft... and when they recharge repatedly, or perhaps when they're only used to scourge and/or spike for the killshot?

If I coulld humbly ask for one favor Mac. Please revisit the possible effects of AoEs when the number of PvPers is actually at or near the cap aka current Freedom. Teamwise when paired with good CC and/or debuffers, I've witnessed several lol moments in zone when AoEs are coordinated. As you may or may not know... I zone mostly these days, so that is specifically what Im referring to.



I said:


I've been called on this a few times so fine. I take it back. It is indeed an oversimplification and I'll chalk it up to the crap that was being spewed a few weeks/months ago about "Damage being all there is to PvP." My bad. I do think that there are many that need to be reminded though.



You'd change your mind if/when you ever teamed with my Rad/Traps Corr.



I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I believe the small differences are meant to be stacked and stacked until they make a significant difference in the outcome of a team fight. (again the opourtunity to test lies within freedom atm) I believe the challenge at this time lies in a team leader's ability to adapt and communicate to their team what strategy to take get the most out of what AT/Sets are avalable... whether that be spiking, anti-spiking, turtling, base camping, rooftops only, or whatnot. A guide on the matter would also IMO be useful to many looking to avoid the trauma that is unorganized team PvP.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

no kins allowed in kb.

sorry.

reroll.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

Someone hasn't seen vinnie or haunt on their rad/colds.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

listen to the archery blaster.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

targeting drone and FA are functionally identical.

the issue really is LBE vs. Webs.

Originally Posted by macskull

Timed damage is what makes it a good team and zone set, the combination of timed damage and the placate proc is what makes it the top-tier duelist. Fix the proc and Fire goes back to number one.

Originally Posted by ConFlict

-Divine afk/types in zone more than any other person I know.

Originally Posted by Xanatos

Webnade > LBE?

Originally Posted by Not_Epsilon

Personally beleive that elec, although it's rated relatively high on the list, is good for more then divine gives it credit for. My elec/pain does very well, considering the pairing. Elec really puts off a nice amount of damage, considering everything, I would say slightly higher then fire. People don't think it, but Ball Lightning does considerable damage. Although its DoT's and end heavy, it fills the gap with some meaningful damage. Unless I am mistaken, it out damages fire easily.

I would still prolly vouch for sonic/rad/elec/(Fire or Energy)/lolrest.

Originally Posted by Slax

It can't just be dUmb vs. Silit's All-Stars.

Originally Posted by Mirage_Mage

Im enjoying my Ice/Rad and it is quite good for duels.

Controllers without heals generally bring alot of greens.

Like Lilith pointed out there are different things you can do with a Controller, so it really depends on what it is you are looking for.