Zombie Man

It means there was a bug in either Mids or the game.

Luckily, it turns out to be a problem with Real Numbers not showing Mayhem/Safeguard bonuses... which is still a bit of a bug.

K, you win. It is never the best tool because you can imagine the situation changing so that it's not the best tool.

Mids' is functioning correctly for me reporting correct pre-cap, capped, and even "what your speed would be if there were no cap" numbers.

I really would like to see you get Sentinel up and running to see the import of the game build.

The screwy part is not Mids'. It's what the game is reporting. You do not pass the speed cap with just SS, Sprint, Swift, and a few IO bonuses; most especially with no Run IOs in either SS or Sprint.

Do you have Musculature Radial Paragon incarnate power slotted?

Are you looking at the combat attributes window throw Power Tray > Powers > Combat Attributes, or, are you opening up the Real Numbers window from the SS icon under the Health Window?

No, it is not.

You're taking the example of a team that is so overpowered, it can ignore the high resistances and self-buffs of Cimerorans. Of course, *in that situation*, KB would slow things down.

But I remember when the ITF was first introduced and teams were wiping and melee were complaining about their -Def, and controllers and debuffers were complaining about their seeming immunity to mez. In that case, KB kept the team alive. Dead teams don't complete the ITF that quickly.

So, yeah, if you want to continue the change the case study so that the parameters make KB or any other type of control irrelevant, you will always win in making your point that KB is useless. But there are cases where KB has been useful. I've seen them. I've used it. Teammates didn't complain about it. There are cases in which your premise is simply very wrong because it's not the rosy case you always present.

Added. Thanks!

Before anyone goes into the house, go left and talk to the conjurers, then to the gazebo to the bored attendee.

Not when the foes are especially resistant to other buffs and controls and then buff up further. If they're weak to KB and strong to most everything else, and KB keeps them from using their self buffs, then KB wins.

You're letting anti-KB feelings keep you from using the best tool in the box. And sometimes, KB is the best tool. It does have mechanical advantages to it. It's not just for show.

A Shivan will also happily tank the Abomination for you while you work on zombies.

Agreed.

Also, I use this bind on all my incarnates:

/bind CTRL+i "toggle incarnate"

The mass graves in Sharks.

The Council base in RWZ.

The developers' room in Grandville.

The developers' lounge in Faultline.

The hanging tree in St. Martial.

The cast away islands in Cap and Monster Island

Funny thing is most don't have an explore badge to go with them.

On the ITF, before Incarnates made them trivial, Torrent from a Dark Defender would KB the entire spawn, including Bosses (in the same direction) giving everyone two free shots. Thus, no need for anyone to take the Alpha, and also preventing the Cimmies from using their team buffs. This means follow up controls and debuffs actually worked on them.

Otherwise, the Tanker would jump in, all the Cimmies would fire off their team buffs, and then they'd be hard to hit and nearly impossible to mez.

Also, during the Imperious fight, it pushes the adds away from the healing Nictus so they can be killed.

The same tactic does wonders for +4 Praetorians. On a Lambda run, where we're focused just on destroying the objects, spamming Torrent keeps everyone alive. On a Keyes, it knocks the IDF from the reactor leaving the terminals to be powered up.

There's no space between the two quotes. Not sure if this is the problem.