Fansy Returns!

Yellow Train?

The Electric-Knight ______ Malfaz _____ Zox'Oculox

@Zethustra

"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

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Well, I'd assume it'd be available from December 1st - but we still have 2 rather large hurdles - getting NCsoft to sell, and then getting them to agree to a reasonable price.

No, you're not sorry at all. Also, i'm not sure if you're actively lying, profoundly stupid, or just good at self-deception. You're certainly not talented enough to be all three at once. Your post is the sort of non-apology apology smegheads make when called out on acting like an *** and feel they should apologize for appearance's sake, but actually don't regret acting like a human waste stain.

In other words you're still behaving like a poorly-socialized-12-year-old. Although i have to admit your writing quality is better than what would usually be expected at that age, so i suspect your physical age is older than that, and it merely reflects your level of emotional development.

Moving on...

Once the game servers and forums go dark i will still be checking through Titan and other sources to see what, if anything, happens regarding City of Heroes. While i'm not exceedingly confident that it will be revived, if it does i will be there once again saying, "Shut up and take my money!" In the meantime i will miss the game, but there are so many other things i could be doing that CoH being gone will not be an enormous tragedy for me; it's but one of many creative outlets and social activities for me. i'll still miss it and the friends i've made in game quite a lot. And i feel for those for whom it was their main venue for socializing and entertainment. Games and communities like City of Heroes are sadly few and far between.

The Electric-Knight ______ Malfaz _____ Zox'Oculox

@Zethustra

"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

www.pauldamonthomas.com - Original Music

Choo Choo!

I'm pretty sure it would be the old Green Line (higher level content) or even more likely to a special Instance.

No offense, but by your standards, everything seems to be trollbait on these forums these days. There appear to be a few trolls that have decided that they now have free reign to go around posting in every thread. It's the old shout your message enough times, and maybe people will start believing it strategy.

Make no mistake, though; that does not make the posts "trollbait". It just means that there are trolls.

As someone who has been accused several times of spreading "false hope", I can tell you that what is really being spread is false pessimism. I have had one-on-one conversations with several former Paragon Staffers, and I can't tell you how many times I have seen posts from the trolls here that have conveyed nothing but doom and gloom when, in fact, things were going pretty well.

They've been talking about how miserably the game was doing when I've gotten firsthand accounts from people who actually know the numbers telling me that the game was doing exceptionally well, much better than most people think. They've been telling me how NCsoft would never negotiate even as I was hearing from people who were involved in the negotiations. They've been stating with no justification whatsoever that things I've been saying are outright false based only on how they feel about the situation.

I have worked my butt off for this community over the years. I have poured literally thousands of dollars and thousands of hours into the fan sites. I have gotten a lot of praise (which I have immensely appreciated), but I've also been subject to a lot of crap that no one should have to put up with. I am in no way saying that whatever I say should be taken as blind truth, because I am fully aware and acknowledge that I have an agenda and am biased in matters relating to saving City of Heroes.

But I would like to think that I've built up enough of a reputation of trustworthiness that it's not immediately rejected as "false hope" or "wishful thinking". Like anyone who's human, I'm not infallible, but I've never lied to the community. If I say I've talked to someone who has inside knowledge of the situation, I would never just make something like that up right outta my butt. For one thing, I'd have moral qualms against doing such a thing. For another, all it would take is one redname post to make me lose pretty much any iota of credibility I've built up.

So you know, if you want to believe Fansy, believe Fansy. I don't know if he's making this up, but I will say that even if he is, it's plausible enough that I wouldn't just dismiss it outright. If you don't want to believe Fansy, don't believe him. Or me either, I don't care. But these repeated accusations of raising "false hope" are complete rubbish. As someone wisely pointed out in another thread a long time ago, there is no such thing as false hope, only hope that doesn't come to fruition. Hope is never not worth having, though expectations may sometimes have to be tempered.

At this point, believing that the servers won't be shut down on November 30 is wildly overoptimistic. I've conveyed this in as honest and up-front manner as I know how. This wasn't always the case, and at one point back in mid-September, I thought we stood a good chance of a deal being worked out that would mean the servers didn't shut down. As what happens sometimes, that deal fell through.

But to not have any hope that City of Heroes will never survive somehow is wildly overpessimistic, and anyone who tries to tell us that that is the "reality" of the situation is lying much worse than anyone who has posted a message like Fansy's, because I can tell you, I have seen repeated posts from them outright lying about the state of affairs before. They are the ones making up what they claim is "reality" right outta their butts, not us. You need to realize that this is how they get their jollies, how they are griefing the forums by giving people false hopelessness.

Fansy, I haven't heard this particular bit of news, but I do remain optimistic and I hope it comes to pass. Don't let the haters get to you.

Yes it's doubleplusgood they are restructuring the game NOV 30



Having less than 15% of your peak subs is once again doubleplusgood.

I wasn't hating on Fansy. MishiiLove early in this crisis made the same type of mysterious/indirect/obfuscated claims of the game being saved. I'd never seen a Fansy post before. Now if you had made a post saying to chill out and wait for the Wolf the trolls would explode with glee and it'd be a lot more believable than some random seemingly incoherent post.

The two big troll threads seemed to be winding down and just in time a new source of hope pops up when the trolls were probably getting hungry.

Legit, troll, I don't really care since what ever is going to happen isn't going to happen out in the open on these forums, but what I was trying to say is if Fansy isn't a troll, they better be ready for trolls the likes of which even a superadine rave hasn't seen. At least the trolls seem to be staying out of the art threads.

So believe him if you want. Just don't complain if it turns out to be that he's trolling you while rolling around in his underwear.

Hey, genius, subs are practically irrelevant in a microtransactions-based model. Using giant smileys doesn't give your weak troll attempt more validity. Maybe you should try typing in all caps.

That's not what I said, and even if you post 5000 pixel square images, it doesn't make you less lying by portraying what I said as meaning that. What I said was that things were going well, and at the time, they were. Paragon Studios was in negotiations with NCsoft to acquire the rights to City of Heroes, and there were some people within NCsoft that wanted to see that happen, who were receptive to a deal and impressed by our positive message supporting such a deal. Unfortunately, the elements within the company that didn't want to let go of the IP (and yes, I know a specific name of who it is, the person who shot down our chances at the eleventh hour) won that battle, thus we are where we are.

But please, don't let what I actually said get in the way of your strawman.

...And this is where we get to the part here you're just making stuff up out of your butt. The truth is threefold: 1) You have no clue how many VIP subscribers City of Heroes had because neither Paragon Studios nor NCsoft release those numbers. You are making assumptions based on one line item in an investor report that has little to do with subscriptions, peak or otherwise. And 2) you are completely ignoring that a lot of revenue came from sources other than VIP subscriptions. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention since before June 2011. Last, but not least, 3) dropoffs in subscriptions are actually par for the course for an 8.5-year-old game. This in no way implies that the game isn't profitable or still very successful. It only means that the game had an exceptionally good launch, which City of Heroes (or more specifically, City of Villains, which was when the game hit its peak subscription rate) in fact did.

So... yeah. Whatever deception you keep claiming incorrectly is being propagated on the community, not only are you wrong, but you're "doubleplus" guilty of much worse.

Yeah thats because I can't divide 800k by 10 and come up with the absolute maximum number of vip subs they had.

Don't worry I am sure at this point you will find plenty of people who if you say "Day is night" will not only agree with you but shout down anyone who disagrees.

Ah yes. The A_F we've come to know, always the victim of everyone else disagreeing with him.

Where oh where will this child find the attention he so desperately craves beyond November 30th?

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Entropy Legion * Hyperion Force * Hero Heights

Texas?

ROFL. By starman's rules of argument you have just conceded defeat.

Enjoy playing CoH on Dec 1 when it rises from ashes.

No, but let's do the math. $800k divided by 10 is 80k subscriptions. For mathematical purposes of putting an absolute upper limit on subscriptions, your claim that that is "15% of your peak subs" means that the peak number of subscriptions would be somewhere around 533,000. The actual peak number of subscribers was around 194,000 just after the launch of City of Villains in October 2006, unless you believe that it's been higher since 3Q 2008 when NCsoft stopped reporting subscription numbers, which I think it's safe to say it hasn't.

So... You're lying. Or at the very least, you're grossly exaggerating. More realistically, the subscriber numbers are probably somewhere in the 80k - 100k range, which is, using the conservative estimate, around 41% of its peak subscriber rate. (Using the optimistic estimate, it's more like 51.5%. Realistically, it's probably somewhere in between those extremes.) Given that a lot of sales are coming off of microtransactions, that there are a lot more players than subscribers now, and that it is now six and a half years after that peak, that's actually a very good retention rate, the kind that would make most gaming companies extremely jealous.

Unh Hunh

Yes indeed

You take the absolute maximum number of subscriptions assume everyone was buying at the absolute cheapest rate and never buying anything from the store, take the lowest number in my range estimate of 15%-20%. You get an unreasonable result.

How would you characterize someone who made such unreasonable assumptions ?

In your first estimate a couple of posts up, you ignored microtransactions completely and judged the game's success solely on subscriptions. That doesn't justify you dictating to anyone what is unreasonable.

No I just didn't break it out or include it. I am aware of microtransaction it's just they make the games health look even worse than it was. If you take a number of rougly 18$/month average for the paying subs. They spent for new powersets as they came out and the you are down into the 40k range or the upper range of my estimate. In general I like to form these arguments making assumptions as much against my position as possible.

The strange thing is the people I debate with here, take every opportunity to make unreasonable assumptions that favor their cause.


You start factoring that f2p people were spending money the number of subs goes down further. Given how few people I saw participating in incarnates (there were dedicated groups who participated often but they were it. You saw the same faces advertising Itrials and participating in them over and over again.) it wouldn't surprise me if the number of paying subs was far far lower maybe as low as 10%

Considering there are some games that rely ENTIRELY on micro-transactions and are doing well enough, how can you use low subs to justify claims that CoH was performing poorly?

Is it just because subbing was an OPTION and many chose not to go that route?