Joss Whedon to direct/write the Avengers sequel
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Posted on: 2012-08-07 16:28 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Stay far away from Game of Thrones, then.
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Originally Posted by Cowman
I'm never affected this way. Whenever a favorite or likable character is killed off all I see is the attempt to add gravity and emotion to the story. I never feel that emotion though; just annoyance that they've killed off a good character for shock value.
Maybe I'm just being a stick-in-the-mud, but it always strikes me as the easiest, most boring and unimaginative way to add depth to your story. Every time it comes up I just roll my eyes in frustration. |
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How is Game of Thrones? It's on Cable right? I ask because I cancelled my cable services after becoming disgusted with the direction away from Sci-fi Skifee has chosen to pursue.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
Stay far away from Game of Thrones, then.
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Overall it's pretty good. It's not bad from the story side. It has the benefit of condensing the story and taking out the redundant parts. The acting is superb.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
How is Game of Thrones? It's on Cable right? I ask because I cancelled my cable services after becoming disgusted with the direction away from Sci-fi Skifee has chosen to pursue.
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I've only seen the first season via Netflix. It is humorous to see people who haven't read the books posting their reactions. The outrage over a certain character's death was hilarious... especially knowing what's going to happen to everyone else.
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You've got quite the attitude, don't you? How about you get over yourself instead, and stop telling people to 'get over it'? You could have made your point just fine without that last little bit.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Oh please don't try blaming Whedon for that. With the exception of soap operas main characters rarely if ever get killed off. It is always the likable second stringers.
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Just because it has been going on, doesn't mean he HAS to do it, or god forbid that people have to like it. The killing off of characters is fine, but he tends to have a certain way of Jossing them off. Personally it's not something I enjoy. Your mileage may vary.
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
You've got quite the attitude, don't you? How about you get over yourself instead, and stop telling people to 'get over it'? You could have made your point just fine without that last little bit.
Just because it has been going on, doesn't mean he HAS to do it, or god forbid that people have to like it. The killing off of characters is fine, but he tends to have a certain way of Jossing them off. Personally it's not something I enjoy. Your mileage may vary. |
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Whedon was not going to kill anyone in the Avengers movie. It was Kevin Feige's idea. Google it, seriously. :P
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Originally Posted by Freitag
I wonder who he'll kill off?
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My guess is that the reason that you feel ok when a video game or movie does it, but not when a TV show or comic does it is due to the difference in format. For a movie or video game, you often basically have just one story to tell. So having a character die during that one story has a different impact then when it happens in a TV show or Comic. Because TV shows/comic run for so much longer then a movie or a game, you both have more emotional investment in the characters, and you have multiple stories. |
Originally Posted by Cowman
True, but I'm more forgiving of character death if it's clear it was always planned that way. I've watched movies and played video games where characters die and not had a problem with it.
This is mainly a problem with TV shows and comic books. In those mediums it seems more contrived than usual. Maybe I'm just being cynical about a trope I don't like; or about the fact that it always seems to happen to my favorite characters.  |
Because of the larger emotional investment, you less likely to be comfortable with the death of a reoccurring character. Because of the multiple story format it starts to feel more forced. You find yourself asking, why did they die this time, they have survived stuff just as bad before, but this time they die, which makes it feel contrived. It's not always contrived, but it's more likely to feel that way in a longer running TV show or comic then in a shorter format movie or video game.
Plus with the shorter format it's more likely to be true that the character death was always planned as you said, which for a longer running TV show or comic, where they make up the story as they go along, it can feel more sudden and forced. Simply because it wasn't always planned, like it was in a shorter format. They might have planned it for a short period, but they can't have planned it the whole time because the whole story wasn't written in one piece.
In his shows, even in comics he's written for, he's had freedom to kill off main/important/fan favorite characters.
Kill off Spike at the end of Buffy? Yeah! Let's do it!
"Kill" off Kitty Pride at the end of X-Men run? Yeah! Let's do it!
Kill off Wash at the end of Serenity? Yeah! Let's do it!
Killing off characters means this is serious!
With Avenger's Joss was kept under tighter control, in so much as if he did kill off any of those main Avengers, then their solo movie titles would suffer.
I've enjoyed almost everything Joss has done (okay Doll House left me unimpressed), which includes his Buffy: tVS movie (I quite enjoyed it), but he does have a tendency to kill off characters the fans don't want to see die.
In his own shows this isn't so bad. You feel for them. It's does add to the emotion.
In comics (that arent his Buffyverse) and this Marvel movie universe, it's a different story.
Also didn't Spike return from death in Angel? Killing Kitty Pryde? Feh this is Marvel we speak of, everyone knew she'd be back. Killing Shepard in Serenity is what got Mal motivated again to fight back against the Alliance instead of constantly running, killing Wash simply broke the "invincibility bubble" and showed that anyone of the crew could be killed at any time without warning. I'd say the only ones with "plot armor" to survive would have been River and Mal.
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