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Originally Posted by atomicdeath
Been wondering since its prolly next. Any leaks or speculation on what it could be?
Genesis to me means creation or life or something along those lines. So my best guess would be maybe a +HP max total or inherent +regen maybe stamina etc. Something to do with the green and blue bars, for self and or pets. Non-toggle. |
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I'm betting genesis will provide a boost to current incarnate powers haha which are already powerful enough ... maybe add additional effects to them?
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Well, "Genesis" means "beginning (of life)". If we didn't already have Plant Control in the game, I would say that Genesis would give us some degree of control over nature... we ARE becoming akin to gods: manipulation of our environment is a given at some point.
However, that would either make Plant Control irrelevant, and/or be incompatible with every other powerset/concept out there.
It might be a buff pet that gets more powerful, even eventually getting the ability to attack?
Or maybe the devs will do an about-face on their philosophy of only allowing incarnate abilities to be usable from level 45+. Maybe Genesis will be about letting you use Incarnate power further and further back, with T4 allowing you to use incarnate abilities starting from level 1! Not sure how that would work on the 1-2-4-2 progression, and what the difference between core and radial would be, but it'd cement our place as "gods", being able to use our most powerful abilities at earlier levels. Or perhaps it would apply to ALL our powers, not just i-abilities? Who knows!
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...Maybe it enhances enhancements
[Speculation]
Each tree affects a particular group of enhancements, as with Alpha
T1 enhances one type of enhancement value by 10% (including applicable alpha boosts), with no (additional) ED bypass; so if you select a tree that boosts damage, and go with T1, a power that was slotted with 3 even-level damage SOs goes from 95% to 96.5%, whereas a power that was slotted with 2 even-level damage SOs goes from 66.6% to 72.9%. Similarly, if you had 3 even-level damage SOs and a T4 Musculature Core alpha, you'd go from 127.3% damage to 132.0%
The Core tree increases the magnitude of the enhancement, while the Radial tree provides a little bit of ED bypass to the overall enhancement value of the power.
T2 Core increases enhancement values by 20%, while T2 radial increases enhancement values by 10% and allows 5% of the total enhancement value to bypass ED
T3 Total Core increases enhancement values by 30%, Partial Core increases enhancement values by 25% and allows 5% of the total enhancement to bypass ED, Partial Radial increases enhancement values by 20% and allows 10% of the total enhancement value to bypass ED, and Total Radial increases enhancement values by 10% and allows 15% of the Total Enhancement Value to bypass ED
T4 Core increases enhancement values by 40% and allows 10% of the total Enhancement Value to bypass ED. T4 Radial increases enhancement values by 20% and allows 20% of the Total Enhancement Value to bypass ED.
Given 5 Level 50 Damage IOs, T4 Radial Damage Genesis and T4 Core Musculature Alpha, one would be able to achieve a damage enhancement of:
Originally Subject to ED:
(5 x 42.4 + 15) x 1.2 = 272.4
Granted ED bypass:
54.5 (Genesis) + 30 (Alpha)
Subjected to ED:
217.9
Total Enhancement:
ED(217.9) + 54.5 + 30 = 197.2
...That would be balanceable, right? 
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Huh.
http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Genesis
I know I know site is obsolute but at least it is something to look for :P
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http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Genesis
I know I know site is obsolute but at least it is something to look for :P |
http://paragonwiki.com or http://wiki.cohtitan.com
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Eww. Don't link to the old Wikia site. That site is not just obsolete, but a favored target of malware loaders and other nasties.
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To summarize for those who (not unreasonably) don't want to click through it claims that Genesis will buff previous Incarnate slots with one tree each for Judgement, Destiny, Interface and Lore.
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Be fair, there was a legitimate reason to link to it in this case. The Wikia site has some information on the nature of Genesis (althoguh given the age and likely origin I'd take the information with a grain of salt).
To summarize for those who (not unreasonably) don't want to click through it claims that Genesis will buff previous Incarnate slots with one tree each for Judgement, Destiny, Interface and Lore. |
Destiny - core, more buff - Radial, longer lasting medium effects?
Interface - Core, higher debuff numbers - radial, higher damage numbers
Judgement - Dunno what can be done to improve this without becomming a mushroom cloud layin motherf***er, motherf***er!
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Originally Posted by atomicdeath
Lore - Core, more damage - Radial, Lower the recast time. Perma lore?
Destiny - core, more buff - Radial, longer lasting medium effects? Interface - Core, higher debuff numbers - radial, higher damage numbers Judgement - Dunno what can be done to improve this without becomming a mushroom cloud layin motherf***er, motherf***er! |
For judgement decreased endurance cost, and increased damage seems plausible.
I highly doubt they will give recharge bonus so lore radial is highly unlikely but increased duration is possible.
Destiny probably increased area and increased % of buffs are plausible.
I'd guess the secondary effects of the judgements could be increased, either by chance or by magnitude.
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So if genesis really does buff one of the 4 powers. The only ones i see of any benefit would be either interface damage or debuffs, or lore pets that either last longer or recast more. If lore dont do either of those, interface it is.
What more could you want from destiny or judgement worthy of using an entirely new incarnate power for?
Maybe it will buff hybrid too, but that **** is so broken...
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A little bird told me that the information which is being used as a source here is outdated and almost certainly inaccurate.
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I've always liked an idea like this. Each person would have access to 2 trees, 1 for your primary set and 1 for your secondary. Radial would add slots to the power that you could put enhancements in, with T4 radial granting a full 6 slots. Core wouldn't add slots, it would just enhance the power itself, the tradeoff to not being able to put an IO set is that the enhance numbers would be stronger than what slotting would get you. But it would work best if the power was something that could be used regularly, not just every 2-ish minutes, like if it was an attack you could fit it into your regular chain. |
Originally Posted by _Pine_
I kinda wish that each AT had its specific Incarnate powers. I know its easier for the devs to just make 4-5 powers that everyone can use, instead of 4-5 powers for each AT (a lot of work, I know). Just kinda silly that we are all incarnates, from different back grounds, powers and choices, but we can only choose the same powers as everyone else. Like, if all NPC incarnates could only ground pound and dull pain themselves >.> would be kinda silly...
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The problem with this aside from the amount of work it would require and the difficulty in balancing is the technical hurdles. What happens to the IOs you have slotted when you swap this incarnate power to a different one? Things like that.
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I've got it!
Genesis does...
...what Nintendo DON'T!
If you remember that commercial, congratulations, you're old.
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Wow, that wikia article is just... laughably wrong. Talk about mis-interpreting information (even if it is out of date).
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Just be glad the little bird isn't telling him to "kill."
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Well the way I figured out Hybrid was by going the definition, Genesis is the light of creation. The light part may not fit in so lets just with creation. What can we create?
We can already create allies with lore, although lore is the history of what we fought and now call their essence to fight for us. Interface, when going over the definition the one I found the most fitting is the facts, problems, considerations, theories, practices, etc., shared by two or more disciplines, procedures, or fields of study: the interface between chemistry and physics. IE your attack did this before, now using interface it does this and this. Judgement is easy to figure out, and the judge rules smite. Destiny is a bit more odd with it's naming but going along with it's meaning, a foretold event to take place, so you create/alter destiny with this power, (higher tiers means your further altering the path). Hybrid I figured out long ago what it was before it came out, hybrid, combining two unlike things, what seemed most likely were AT effects, that's what we got.
What makes genesis so hard for me to figure out is the insanely broad definition. Genesis, the creation, coming into being, the origin. Perhaps origin is the keyword? Maybe the Genesis of our character is what we're looking for? Maybe themed genesis powers based on origins? Circling back to creation, there are so many possibilities of what we could create that I find it incredibly hard to think of what it could be. Now one thing I did think of was Posi talking about the temp power bar and how it'd be used when we used alternate forms/piloted/temps/etc. We already know khelds use said bar for their alternate forms, what if Genesis is literally creating a new form for ourselves? Grow giant? Pilot a mecha? Transform into some beast/form/etc. that's grandiose and comes with it's own powers? But all just conjecture.
Edit: Although now that I think about it more, a transformation power seems more likely to be in vitae if by going the definition and the course of incarnates scaling up the higher the trees go.
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As long as shapeshifting doesnt make it so we cant use our other powers like PB's and such.
i hope genesis is actually a cool power and is not gutted like hybrid
hybrid is ok but it is severely disappointing as well as prolly one of the weakest incarnate powers to date, it was portrayed as a toggle, and a toggle is something you activate then forget about, the cloggle (click-toggle) it is now is just insanely annoying and i actually forget about it half of the time
I just wish they will fix hybrid in i24 as well (yeah I know no chance at all since devs says it is working as intended but I can dream before my subscription expires in september right)
No, Genesis will allow you to play as old Sega games.