As an incarnate, playing incarnate-level enemies at +4/x8, they stunned you and killed you? Sounds like it's working as intended. 
There's got to be SOME challenge after all.
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Try the Olympian Guards in the iTrials... I believe they're capable of Mag 30 Stuns.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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You have 10 mag protection. If they can get you higher than that, you'll be stunned.
The enemies ALWAYS have a 5% chance to hit you. Sometimes, this can come in batches. Also, do you have 59% defense to the type of attack the stun is attached to?
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Excellent question, but I'm not sure. I am running at 59% to S/L/E/N without using EA (70% if I hit 10 targets with EA). So I *think* so, but I'm not sure.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Also, do you have 59% defense to the type of attack the stun is attached to?
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You forget to toggle something? Never had that happen on my shield tanker running the same settings.
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I guess I'm just spoiled by my crab. Nothing ever stuns me. I can stand next to Romulus in an ITF without blinking with that character.
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Originally Posted by corinna
As an incarnate, playing incarnate-level enemies at +4/x8, they stunned you and killed you? Sounds like it's working as intended.
There's got to be SOME challenge after all. |
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Possibly, but it did happen twice in the same mission. The first time I died FAST. The second time I made sure to toggle everything up and was kind of waiting for it to happen. I popped a break free, cleaned the mob, and checked my toggles.|
Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
You forget to toggle something? Never had that happen on my shield tanker running the same settings.
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Three had dropped, my mez protection, Chilling Embrace, and Icicles. Which makes sense to me. If they drop my mez, they would automatically detoggle my offensive toggles too (as I understand it).
I *think* in the second instance I actually pulled two groups together because I was trying to make it happen, but that's a bit fuzzy in my head right now.
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Probably stacking mez then.
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Shield has a clickable mez protection yes? If so, that proably lends a lot of credence to it being a 'stack thing'. I'm assuming that you have enough recharge that your click mez is actually staked a good portion of the time as well.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Probably stacking mez then.
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Can Wet Ice drop from anything other than an endurance crash? I was under the impression only offensive toggles could drop from enemy effects.
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Wet Ice is a defensive power, you just can not put any def into it though. But it dose give u 1% to your over all def.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Can Wet Ice drop from anything other than an endurance crash? I was under the impression only offensive toggles could drop from enemy effects.
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I love the Lillitu mission in SSA2-2. Her first shot. Right through 50+% defense and all I can do is wait for my AoEs to recharge because I can't target her at all for over a minute.
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I thought placates were autohit. The problem THERE is that she can't hit YOU and break the placate, which really, is kinda hilarious.
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Yeah. Sitting at 20.8 mag perma.
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Originally Posted by Kinrad
Shield has a clickable mez protection yes? If so, that proably lends a lot of credence to it being a 'stack thing'. I'm assuming that you have enough recharge that your click mez is actually staked a good portion of the time as well.
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Sounds to me like one of the oldest rules in the RPG world has popped up again.
"You are ALMOST completely invincible."
There is always going to be the chance that no matter how good your armor is or how many spells you have stacked or how much Uber L33T gear you have, that an enemy will get past your defenses. Any game without this rule gets either very boring or very impossible very quickly.
Think of it as a challenge. You know they can beat you now. How are you going to deal with it?
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My point being maybe endurance drain is the problem and not mez stacking? I thought defensive powers weren't supposed to drop anymore.
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Originally Posted by LSK
Wet Ice is a defensive power, you just can not put any def into it though. But it dose give u 1% to your over all def.
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Yeah, I was wondering why a defensive toggle dropped.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
My point being maybe endurance drain is the problem and not mez stacking? I thought defensive powers weren't supposed to drop anymore.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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They don't drop, but they do suppress.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
My point being maybe endurance drain is the problem and not mez stacking? I thought defensive powers weren't supposed to drop anymore.
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You get mezzed, you lose the protection from your toggles, so more hits land and you get nailed. Also, once KoA start hitting you with their 'knives', expect your defence to drop even further, as your DDR suppresses too with the toggles that provided it.
An Ice tanker (typed defence) doesn't have anything that'll protect against being hit by KoA Flashbangs directly, other than what AoE defence came from your set bonuses, whereas a Shield tanker (positional defence) will avoid most of the stuns and not get into trouble in the first place. Hence the lack of problems mentioned by Sinisterdirge on his shield tanker.
All this is IIRC, of course.
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If they have a meaningless pitiful debuff like RttC they will drop.
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Originally Posted by Canine
They don't drop, but they do suppress.
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Original poster was an Ice tanker, the only toggles on Ice that will drop rather than suppress are Icicles and Chilling Embrace.|
Originally Posted by Ogi
If they have a meaningless pitiful debuff like RttC they will drop.
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If however, enough flashbangs landed to suppress Glacial, Frozen and Wet Ice, (and possibly Weave/tough too, if they had them) then his defence would plummet and he'd pretty much by instagibbed by a +4/x8 spawn of KoA since all he'd have by way of defence at that point would be set bonuses and whatever Energy Absorption buffs he had at that point.
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Nitpick: Tankers at level 50 have mag 12 protection - specifically 12.975.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
You have 10 mag protection. If they can get you higher than that, you'll be stunned.
The enemies ALWAYS have a 5% chance to hit you. Sometimes, this can come in batches. Also, do you have 59% defense to the type of attack the stun is attached to? |
Everything else is valid, and the duration on those stuns is ridiculous and they can last from one spawn to the next.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
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There seems to be some confusion to what my post is referring to. Specifically, it is this part from Kinrad's post:
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I popped a break free, cleaned the mob, and checked my toggles. Three had dropped, my mez protection, Chilling Embrace, and Icicles. |
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I was mistaken. I have since run more tests and it does not drop. It does however suppress as others have said. Basically my crab does better because he is positional defense, and I can live with that because Itsy is my true love in this game. |
Originally Posted by Nihilii
There seems to be some confusion to what my post is referring to. Specifically, it is this part from Kinrad's post:
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Make a man a fire and keep him warm for the day, SET a man on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.
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*retracted*
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
How does this happen? I have an Ice tank with well over the incarnate cap of 59% defense. He also has T4 everything slotted in all his incarnate abilities (except Hybrid).
I run into a pack of +4x8 "Knives of Artemis" and demolish them. Then I run into the second group and they STUN me?! The knock off my toggles and I'm dead faster than you can spit.
Bwah?
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