Taunt and Confront
Thing is, a thread on the boards is a *really* bad sample of "what people do." The posters are a tiny portion of a tiny portion of the overall playerbase.
Plus, scrappers (generally) need another attack like a drowning man needs a glass of water, IMHO. |
Yea maybe if confront was replaced with a power that spawned a ROFLOLCOPTOR or one that built a cottage around yourself I would take that.
But another attack? I end up dropping one to two attacks at 50 due to high recharge anyway. And I almost always have enough attacks as I level.
I wouldn't want another attack on my scrapers aside from being a balancing nightmare and a lot of work to do it would just be unnecessary.
Because as a player we always have a choice as to the NPCs using a power
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Taunt is Invaluable on a Tanker for 1 reason, and Invaluable on a Brute for another. I never take any grab agro power on a scrapper. There are a few Brutes I do not take Taunt on, not because it's not valuable, but because I am consciously working against the archtype. I have a Dark/Will Brute that plays like a Scrapper, with no taunt, and the only reason he needs agro is to pump his damage. He gets plenty of agro for that. I still have to warn my teams I cannot tank for them. Willpower has a crappy taunt aura, and he is light on AoE, so i just kill what I pick out. That is a rarity for me. Mostly, Tank/Brute = Spam Taunt, Scrapper = no Confront.
Remove confront from scrappers, add in a awesome attack (just meaning, nothing unappealing in visual or numbers) that has a chance to critical. This would move scrappers further away from brutes in the dmg department as it should be.
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Basically, I could really see one of two ideas happening:
1. Tag taunted enemies to receive guaranteed criticals when they're not fighting the Tanker/Scrapper/Brute who taunted them, but have that suppress when they are. I'm not sure if this is mechanically possible, but that's what would make fighting the taunter seem like a smart idea.
2. Put the enemy into a special mode that adds some percentage chance for critical hits to all of the taunter's attacks. That way, using Taunt/Confront becomes a good idea in combat terms as well as in tactics terms, and it pushes Scrappers further ahead since their Confront recharges faster and they already have critical % chance even without this.
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I just hope they hurry up and get rid of confront ASAP. It's impossible to conceive of any scrapper wanting a way to manage aggro and eight-power primaries would be an improvement in comparison to the blight upon mankind that is confront.
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I just hope they hurry up and get rid of confront ASAP. It's impossible to conceive of any scrapper wanting a way to manage aggro and eight-power primaries would be an improvement in comparison to the blight upon mankind that is confront.
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Confront may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's rather extreme to jump from that all the way to 'no scrapper would ever have any reason to control aggro'.
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I pretty much always go with scrapper secondaries that have a taunt aura.
It may be almost non-existent duration ones like WP or EA, or it may be beasts like Shield and Invuln, but usually it comes on a power I was going to take anyways and I usually don't have the power picks to spare on confront or the pool AoE taunt, and if I did have a free power I'd never have the slots.
I am slightly annoyed they gave tanker SR the WP treatment. Sure it's dead easy to softcap but any new content seems to be guaranteed to have autohit or untagged attacks (I'm looking at you positionless blaster twins in the SBB).
On a tank? Yes. On a character I'm going to tank with? Yes. Just because I have it? No.
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On a Tanker or a Brute, I always take Taunt, but I don't usually get it as soon as it becomes available. I like to spend most of my early power choices on the basic attacks, and the basic armors to be able to survive the aggro I would draw by taunting.
On Brutes and Scrappers, I usually put off the "taunt aura" for a while for similar reasons, and so I'll have access to better enhancements to manage my endurance costs. Typically, I'll take the aggro aura at Lv 22, and Lv. 24 will be Taunt, or vice versa. On a Tanker, I'll usually take the aggro aura sooner since the attacks I'd otherwise take unlock more slowly.
There was a point right after Inherent Fitness came out where I took Confront on my namesake main Scrapper, but I later respecced out of it. If I had a spare power choice on a Scrapper, I'd consider taking it, but it's not a very high priority.
And on AT's that don't get taunts in their Primary or Secondary, I've never gone into the Presence pool for Challenge or Provoke, since drawing aggro isn't the purpose of those AT's, and is usually a hinderance to their purpose. Although the Placate power they're planning to replace Challenge with is something I might take on my Ninjas/Poison MM for concept reasons. I'm torn between that or the AoE Placate they plan on adding to Concealment. My MM already has Stealth, though having to devote two additional power choices to it and another Concealment power to unlock it is making that option less attractive.
But one thing I like to do on my characters that have Taunt powers is to create a few keybinds so they'll say something in local chat when they use the power. I use the taunt binds sparingly, since I don't want to annoy my teammates by spamming the same few phrases all the time like some fighting game character. But occasionally, I'll hit one of them every now and then instead of the basic non-chatbinded Taunt to spice up the action.
Usually, they are in-character taunts. My main had knightly phrases like "Have at you, $target!" during the brief time he had Confront, for example. But coming up with good taunts is hard. The best put-downs are ones tailored to the target, which I can't really do in the context of stock phrases.
But no matter the character, one of their taunt binds will always be "Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries!"
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Plus, scrappers (generally) need another attack like a drowning man needs a glass of water, IMHO.