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Movie Flashback: This reminds me of the scene in "Back to School" when Rodney Dangerfield's character turns in a paper on Kurt Vonnegut's works written by Kurt Vonnegut, and the teacher says it is all wrong. It was absurd in that film, and the argument that Heinlein did not know the world and system that he imagined is just as absurd.


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Then he had a failure in communication.


 

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Movie Flashback: This reminds me of the scene in "Back to School" when Rodney Dangerfield's character turns in a paper on Kurt Vonnegut's works written by Kurt Vonnegut, and the teacher says it is all wrong. It was absurd in that film, and the argument that Heinlein did not know the world and system that he imagined is just as absurd.
Dang it, I knew I saw an example of this somewhere and couldn't place it. Thanks, one less thing ricocheting around in the back of my brain.


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Then he had a failure in communication.
Exactly. The teacher was the one that failed because he wasn't "listening" to what the author was communicating because the teacher was drowning out the message with the static of his personal pompous assumptions that he knows better than the author what the author meant.


 

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Exactly. The teacher was the one that failed because he wasn't "listening" to what the author was communicating because the teacher was drowning out the message with the static of his personal pompous assumptions that he knows better than the author what the author meant.
Not what I was addressing.


 

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It's like deja vu. This thead is like the old discussions with Durakken.
Now that is a statement I agree with 150% (it was only 100% but then I used agreement enhancements)


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Now that is a statement I agree with 150% (it was only 100% but then I used agreement enhancements)
Pffft. I'm at 200%. Newb.


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Getting to this virulent thread late, but this is the most apt description I've seen of the movie. I've been perplexed by the people that think it's a brilliant satire of government, society, and war (like the movie works on the same level as Wag the Dog or Dr. Strangelove). You nailed a good response.

The subtext is there, but it's so subtle it may as well not be (one thing Strangelove isn't - is subtle). It certainly isn't going to change anyone's opinion.

It's like Total Recall (it's really all a fantasy), or Blade Runner (Deckard is a replicant). It's pretty much an easter egg, for people to find if they look for it.

Fore example, one of the things ST (original movie) did was fill in backstory via propaganda newsreels, thus suggesting an "unreliable narrator" to people who are clued in about such literary techniques. But there was no actual proof the narrator actually was unreliable. It simply plays on people's suspicious nature.


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