Is blackhole in dark affinity worth taking?


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So my gravity/dark controller is at level 35 and for concept blackhole sounds good. The question is it worth taking. Seems very situational and don't like to take powers that hinder teaming. Also is there any word on the Devs re working that power?


 

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So my gravity/dark controller is at level 35 and for concept blackhole sounds good. The question is it worth taking. Seems very situational and don't like to take powers that hinder teaming. Also is there any word on the Devs re working that power?
You really answered your own question.

IMHO I would NEVER take it for pve. There are too many good powers I can use all the time that help the team such as leadership powers that are up 100% of the time and never hiders a team.

Now, think of one of those awful pug moments when you are on a great team steamrollering everything and then the team adds a blackhole spammer. Okay, that's an extreme but on a good team you are never going to need it and using it might anger teammates.

Basically, its going to sit there in your tray useless and you'll end up respecing out of it.


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So my gravity/dark controller is at level 35 and for concept blackhole sounds good. The question is it worth taking. Seems very situational and don't like to take powers that hinder teaming. Also is there any word on the Devs re working that power?
I have tried taking it twice, on my Dark/Electric Defender and then again on my Thugs/Dark MM. I really tried to like it . . . I really did. But both times I had to respec it out. I found it frustrating even when solo, and my teams hated it.

Many of the sets have a klunker power that is easily skippable. Powers like AoE sleeps, or powers that are counter-productive to the main goal of the set (like Repel for Kinetics), or are duplicative (SI and GI in Illusion), or provide a minimal benefit (Permafrost for Ice Armor). Most of them have more use than Black Hole.


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Black hole is a situational power, funny thing is I personally never found a situation where it benefits more than it hinders.

For a Grav/Dark you might be tempted into taking Grav Shift as well as Black Hole, but be careful because you might piss off teammates twice as much with having both.

At level 35 I'd pick a pool or epic power instead.


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In a word: No.

Reason: Of all build combos Grav/Dark would be the absolute LAST I would take Blackhole on. If you do want a phase power, Grav/'s Dim shift is better in just about every way I can think of. DIM SHIFT might be worth taking as it does have some situation uses, and you have the ability to toggle it off at any time as well as the ability to enter the AOE so that you can interact with the phased mobs.

But taking Blackhole when you also have Dim Shift as an option?!
No.

I would *absolutely* look at it as a great opportunity to pickup an extra power out of your chosen APP/PPP. :-)

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Here's the only possible use I can think of for Black Hole when playing with Gravity/Dark Affinity. You take both Dimension Shift AND Black Hole!

You use Black Hole "offensively" against your opposition to nullify/neutralize them by Phase Other. You then follow up by using Dimension Shift as well in an area outside the Black Hole radius so as to phase your teammates (and yourself?) in such a way that you have the OPTION of being able to duck in and out of phase so as to attack into the Black Hole AoE.

Problem with this plan is that it's just too darn complicated for its own good. 11 times out of 10, you're better off with using neither power and just letting the steam roll.


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I only took the "phasing" powers on my controller who was built specifically as a "Phasetroller". Of course, that was before they updated Dimension Shift. Yes, they are very situational powers, but when the situation arises and you need them, you either have them or you don't. Often times, the higher level missions have multiple ambushes in them. I would break off from the team and "prepare for the ambushes". That is when the Phasetroller really shows their abilities. Of course, most 'trollers have various means to slow or stop those ambushes long enough for the team to reorganize. And a tank can usually do it too...and...<sniff>...for a minute there I thought I was "special".

Take it if you think you'd ever really use it (or it fits your concept). Otherwise, do what most people do and skip it. That's my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.


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Heh, y'know what would be a fun change to these hated Phase Shift Other powers? If you could drag your target around behind you, like a dog on a leash, and then FIRE them like a cone attack into another crowd.

You'd only have X seconds to find your new target before the Intangibility drops and your would-be bowling ball 100% aggros on you.


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No.


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I know of only one situation for phasing powers where it isn't useless: against the towers around Lord Recluse in the Ms. Liberty Strike Force.


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