The ATO's are awfully cheap to be using catalysts on. I've only slotted full sets on 3 or 4 different AT's so far, but don't recall any pieces being over 20 million. (To be fair, I bought a lot of super packs so about half my ATO's were not bought from the consignment house.)
I use the catalysts when I get a purple or PvP recipe that isn't worth a ton.
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Are you talking about Catalysts or Converters Ironblade?
Catalysts are the rare drops in Incarnate Content that transform an ATO into it's Purple form. You can't use them on anything else.
And to the OP, if you're waiting for non-ATO sets you're probably going to be waiting a while. They've already confirmed a new round of super packs with a 2nd set of ATOs coming.
Thought catalyst could only be used on atos as of now
Scrappers: (50) BS/SD,(50) Spines/INV, Controllers: (50) Fire/Kin (50) Fire/Storm, Tankers: (50) Stone/SS (50) Stone/DB (50)Stone/Elec (50) Ice/Stone (50) Fire/KM (50) Elec/SS +3, Blaster: (50) Ar/Devices, Brutes: (50) Claws/WP +2 (50) Elec/SD +3 (50) Claws/FA +1 (50) SS/WP/MU +3(50) SS/FA/Soul +3, (50) Elec/TW +2, (50) Warshade, (50) Plant/Dark Perma Dom+3
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Are you talking about Catalysts or Converters Ironblade?
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there are new ATIOs coming out they were on test already. Expect them soon. They were supposed to be in this issue but there was a bug i read in the conversion of them for some reason they were not put out. But they exist.
So save them at least for that.
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Wrong. On pretty much every level. 2nd Gen ATOs were discovered due to a BUG on i23 Beta - and said bug was fixed, so you can't even get them that way. They were NEVER. Intended. To be in this issue, no matter how many of you people hoped so. The 2nd Gen ATOs are going to be in the next set of Super Packs which are slated for Late July, Early August as a BEST CASE SCENARIO.|
Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
there are new ATIOs coming out they were on test already. Expect them soon. They were supposed to be in this issue but there was a bug i read in the conversion of them for some reason they were not put out. But they exist.
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To the OP - if you pull catalysts from mobs you might as well use them if you can Catalyze an entire set - if the character has no use for them (my Dominator needs two in total - one for each proc) then you can always convert them after upgrading and unslotting, but you don't HAVE to do so.
Also Ironblade - the Brute ATO set is going for upwards of 80 million a piece.
Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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Actually, this last weekend I bought the entire set paying 45M per piece except the proc. I paid 60M for that, and if I'd been more patient, I could have paid 45 for it, too.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Also Ironblade - the Brute ATO set is going for upwards of 80 million a piece.
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So it is undergoing some swings.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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nice to know that info. However even if its for july or august isnt that a reason to keep them. Also there is the fact that if you delete them their gone and its not like they take up room. In fact why would you want to delete them anyway? Just because if thats the case then just do it. |
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Wrong. On pretty much every level. 2nd Gen ATOs were discovered due to a BUG on i23 Beta - and said bug was fixed, so you can't even get them that way. They were NEVER. Intended. To be in this issue, no matter how many of you people hoped so. The 2nd Gen ATOs are going to be in the next set of Super Packs which are slated for Late July, Early August as a BEST CASE SCENARIO.
To the OP - if you pull catalysts from mobs you might as well use them if you can Catalyze an entire set - if the character has no use for them (my Dominator needs two in total - one for each proc) then you can always convert them after upgrading and unslotting, but you don't HAVE to do so. Also Ironblade - the Brute ATO set is going for upwards of 80 million a piece. |
And even if i was wrong about them coming out in this issue apparantly they are already around and in the game somewhere. Even if now they are locked maybe you can convert them, maybe you cant, maybe you can catalyze them, maybe you cant who knows. But ill keep mine anyways incase.
If I recall, you can't delete catalysts. It doesn't even give you the option.
But yeah, basically decide if you'd rather use your catalysts on the current set of ATOs, or the next set. Or if you earn a lot of catalysts, do whatever with the ones you have now and earn more when the next ATOs arrive.
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Please don't do this without first checking your set bonuses, particularly +Recharge. Uncatalyzed ATOs with a Recharge bonus give 8.75% - a unique bonus. Purple ATOs give 10% Recharge, the same as regular purples. This means that going from 5 purple sets + an ATO set to 5 purple sets + a purple ATO set will drop you from 58.75% to 50% global Recharge, because in the latter case, you will have exceeded the Rule of Five.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
To the OP - if you pull catalysts from mobs you might as well use them if you can Catalyze an entire set
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@Roderick
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True, which is why my Dominator is only Catalyzing his procs - He has 5 10% Recharge bonuses, so he gets more recharge by not Catalyzing.|
Originally Posted by Roderick
Please don't do this without first checking your set bonuses, particularly +Recharge. Uncatalyzed ATOs with a Recharge bonus give 8.75% - a unique bonus. Purple ATOs give 10% Recharge, the same as regular purples. This means that going from 5 purple sets + an ATO set to 5 purple sets + a purple ATO set will drop you from 58.75% to 50% global Recharge, because in the latter case, you will have exceeded the Rule of Five.
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If you split the Brute/Stalker/Scrapper set into 2 sets of 3 for Smashing/Lethal defense, however, go ahead and Catalyze them.
Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
/facepalm - Apply Directly to the Forehead!
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Hold the phone -- my understanding was that the catalyzed ATOs that give 10% bonus have a different bonus name than the purple 10% recharges..thus making it possible to slot them without rule of 5 being an issue.
Now, I could be wrong, I certainly have been wrong before, but I know I've seen it mentioned somewhere.
"Most people that have no idea what they are doing have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese
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Nope. They are both named 'ultimate' so they stick to the five rule. Mind you some catalyzed ATO's have 'ultimate' bonuses not found in other purples, (like the 'ultimate' defense bonuses) but the more 'common' values like +damage, +recharge will often bang up against other purples and get over-ruled.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Hold the phone -- my understanding was that the catalyzed ATOs that give 10% bonus have a different bonus name than the purple 10% recharges..thus making it possible to slot them without rule of 5 being an issue.
Now, I could be wrong, I certainly have been wrong before, but I know I've seen it mentioned somewhere. |
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Yep, this is accurate. For recharge, the 8.75% is different, so that gives you a chance to get 5x10% + 8.75%, which I've done on a few characters who run 5x purple recharge sets.
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Originally Posted by Seldom
Nope. They are both named 'ultimate' so they stick to the five rule. Mind you some catalyzed ATO's have 'ultimate' bonuses not found in other purples, (like the 'ultimate' defense bonuses) but the more 'common' values like +damage, +recharge will often bang up against other purples and get over-ruled.
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I too have done this.
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Originally Posted by Plasma
Yep, this is accurate. For recharge, the 8.75% is different, so that gives you a chance to get 5x10% + 8.75%, which I've done on a few characters who run 5x purple recharge sets.
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I have several toons with 5 purple sets and I was planning to catalyze their ATOs for the extra recharge... So glad I read this post before doing that...
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Please don't do this without first checking your set bonuses, particularly +Recharge. Uncatalyzed ATOs with a Recharge bonus give 8.75% - a unique bonus. Purple ATOs give 10% Recharge, the same as regular purples. This means that going from 5 purple sets + an ATO set to 5 purple sets + a purple ATO set will drop you from 58.75% to 50% global Recharge, because in the latter case, you will have exceeded the Rule of Five.
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Ah. I only have one brute and he's already 50 and not going to be upgraded. So far, I've really only looked at the tanker, scrapper, controller, corrupter and defender sets.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Also Ironblade - the Brute ATO set is going for upwards of 80 million a piece.
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8.75% is a Gargantuan Recharge bonus, and 10% is an Ultimate. To make the 10% stack with the existing 10% bonuses, they'd have to call them Catalyzed bonuses or something.
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Originally Posted by Plasma
Yep, this is accurate. For recharge, the 8.75% is different, so that gives you a chance to get 5x10% + 8.75%, which I've done on a few characters who run 5x purple recharge sets.
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Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
/facepalm - Apply Directly to the Forehead!
Formally Dragos_Bahtiam - Abbreviate to DSL - Warning, may contain sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Pretty much since the Brute ATO's appeared I have been buying them for 35-45 million and selling them for 100+ million. So yes, patience is your friend, and the impatient bankroll me. ^_^
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Actually, this last weekend I bought the entire set paying 45M per piece except the proc. I paid 60M for that, and if I'd been more patient, I could have paid 45 for it, too.
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Psst ... according to Nether and some others, that isnt possible to maintain as you have. Is you hax ?!?|
Originally Posted by Organica
Pretty much since the Brute ATO's appeared I have been buying them for 35-45 million and selling them for 100+ million. So yes, patience is your friend, and the impatient bankroll me. ^_^
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Just being snarky, not trying to reignite the debate rofl ! Bein as i was right n all
Over the hills and through the woods.
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When did Nether say it's not possible to buy low and sell high and keep doing so? And who else said that? That's how I get rich, so not sure why anyone would say it isn't possible to do it on an ongoing basis.|
Originally Posted by MeanNVicious
Psst ... according to Nether and some others, that isnt possible to maintain as you have. Is you hax ?!?
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Just being snarky, not trying to reignite the debate rofl !
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Originally Posted by MeanNVicious
Psst ... according to Nether and some others, that isnt possible to maintain as you have. Is you hax ?!?
Just being snarky, not trying to reignite the debate rofl ! Bein as i was right n all |
No one ever said that flipping wasn't possible or profitable.
Well.... maybe some stupid/clueless post I don't recall might have said that....
But no one with a working brain.
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Actually I read too much of that other thread that strayed into this topic.
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And the above is exactly what nethergoat was saying. Essentially, according to nethergoat, you cannot buy low and sell high for profit - and keep doing so.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Not even close.
No one ever said that flipping wasn't possible or profitable. Well.... maybe some stupid/clueless post I don't recall might have said that.... But no one with a working brain. |
Of course I agree with MnV as well as the other posters saying thats bunk, since I'm able to successfully do it as well.
But dont tell nethergoat that you can successfully flip -->, he'll make a personal attack at you, then put you on ignore because you had the nerve to disagree, lol.
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I'm debating whether I should save my catalysts for future expansion to non-ATO origin sets or just burn them all on the current ATOs. Thoughts?