If you weren't the only member of the group, then you might have been kicked after losing leadership due to inactivity.
If it was a solo SG, then I have no clue.
So I can lose access to an SG and base I dumped all my own personal resoruces into just like that becuase someone else was a member? Wow.. that's kinda BS imo. Brilliant game design that.
Well, thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
It's not BS. It's made pretty obvious if you're inactive for a certain amount of time (which you have a degree of control over) then control of the SG goes to the next highest up. It is a group, after all. Best bet would be to contact that other person, let them know you're back, and if they still play they may reinvite you.
Basically what Xzero45 said. If the SG contained only your alts, then it should have still been there. SGs are never deleted by the game regardless of how long any players in the SG are inactive. The only way that an SG ceases to exist is if its membership hits zero (everyone is kicked from or quits the SG).
Since you logged in and are now not in an SG, it seems likely that you have at least one other person besides yourself in the SG who remained active after you left. After the SG leader has been inactive for a certain amount of days, leadership changes hands to another more active member of the SG automatically. After that, this new leader kicked you from the SG. One of two things likely occurred here:
1) The new leader removed you for extreme inactivity. In this scenario, the SG may still exist and if you can find a current active member, you could in theory secure a reinvite. If whoever happens to be running it now (leadership may have changed hands more than once) is agreeable, they might even reinstate you as leader.
2) The SG itself no longer exists. At some point, the leader kicked everyone from the SG and then quit the SG himself (or deleted his character), dissolving the group. This is sometimes a form a greifing but could also have been a mass exodus to a new SG home or any number of other possibilities.
You can check the SG Registrar to see if the SG still exists. Also make sure you're on the right server, as SGs are server-specific. If you transfer your character to another server for any reason, your SG does not go with you.
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Actually, it is a good design. Otherwise the entire SG could be useless and all the members hosed because one person leaves the game without passing leadership. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.|
Originally Posted by Sirconis_Lychen
So I can lose access to an SG and base I dumped all my own personal resoruces into just like that becuase someone else was a member? Wow.. that's kinda BS imo. Brilliant game design that.
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Sorry you got messed up by it, but it's a good design and working as intended.
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I found the SG. It's now a one-man SG for personal storage. I sent an e-mail to the guy, but I get the feeling he's inactive.
Thanks again for the resopnses regardless.
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Just some personal experience, I too took off roughly two years (my entire Post-AAS --> BS:CIS degree path) and came back to the opposite. I inherited three groups with members that had been inactive for almost the same amount of time (upto just prior to i19). Since I had created the one just for my alts (IE: I knew nobody else was there playerwise), I consolidated that one into another and then thought long and hard about the group and its membership. Taking into account that I myself had taken a rather long "Retirement", I decided not to remove members, but did send ingame emails just incase it was simply the toons that were inactive. Sure enough, after being here over a year now atleast 1-2 people have showed back up on the radar.
The turn of events kinda sucks, but there are plenty of groups out there willing to take in lost toons. My remaining groups are casual oriented so players don't even need to play in SG mode unless they want to help with group badges and even then it's voluntary. Trust me when I say things have changed ALOT in the last few years.
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I found the SG. It's now a one-man SG for personal storage. I sent an e-mail to the guy, but I get the feeling he's inactive.
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Ok, worst case scenario - what server are you on? Maybe I could help you rebuild one via some inf to prestige conversion. It doesn't take much now that hacked telepads will hold 6 beacons.
you make the sg, invite my toon, I'll help you build it, and then quit.
Only problem is the name won't be the same.
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Originally Posted by Sirconis_Lychen
I found the SG. It's now a one-man SG for personal storage. I sent an e-mail to the guy, but I get the feeling he's inactive.
Thanks again for the resopnses regardless. |
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he found the SG doesn't that mean he's a member of it on one of his characters? Otherwise how would he know this other person is the only other member and is using it for a solo SG, and that he's not been on that character for a while.
If he is still a member of the SG and that player is inactive all he has to do is wait for the auto demote/promote to activate and he'll get back control by simply being the most recently active player in the SG.
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You can look up any SG by name at the registrar and it also shows whatever the leader(s) put in the SG description field. This would be a way of learning that it's now a solo SG used for storage if the owner put it in the description.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Okay I'm a little puzzled about this post.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he found the SG doesn't that mean he's a member of it on one of his characters? Otherwise how would he know this other person is the only other member and is using it for a solo SG, and that he's not been on that character for a while. If he is still a member of the SG and that player is inactive all he has to do is wait for the auto demote/promote to activate and he'll get back control by simply being the most recently active player in the SG. |
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Thanks for that info. I didn't know the current "owner" could do that. Of course the last time I looked at SG listings was years ago and I only recall paying attention to SG name and prestige earned.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
You can look up any SG by name at the registrar and it also shows whatever the leader(s) put in the SG description field. This would be a way of learning that it's now a solo SG used for storage if the owner put it in the description.
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i actually had to log on and check it myself before posting since it had been a while since i'd edited an SG's settings.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Thanks for that info. I didn't know the current "owner" could do that. Of course the last time I looked at SG listings was years ago and I only recall paying attention to SG name and prestige earned.
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Or if they didn't wanna go this far, I'm sure many of us have open spots in our SGs.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Ok, worst case scenario - what server are you on? Maybe I could help you rebuild one via some inf to prestige conversion. It doesn't take much now that hacked telepads will hold 6 beacons.
you make the sg, invite my toon, I'll help you build it, and then quit. Only problem is the name won't be the same. |
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I agree that automatically passing leadership due to inactivity is good design. Here's my personal experience with it:|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Actually, it is a good design. Otherwise the entire SG could be useless and all the members hosed because one person leaves the game without passing leadership. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.
Sorry you got messed up by it, but it's a good design and working as intended. |
My first year playing this game, one of my villains was invited to a super group. That character quickly became my most played villain, and I got a lot of use out of the group's base, which was well equiped. Then one day the leader decided to redesign the base from scratch. He sold off all the items and had just started replacing everything when he went MIA. We never saw him again.
No one who was left in the group had much in the way of permissions, so no one could buy stuff for the base. So for a while we just had a mostly empty base. But the upkeep was past due and no one even had permission to pay it, so soon we locked out of that mostly empty base. At this point, most the few who were left quit.
But then the old leader hit the expiration date for inactivity and I logged in to find that I had inheirited the group. I emailed the old leader to let him know I intended to get the base back up and running on my own unless he planned to return soon. After not hearing back from him for a week, I went to work. I paid the upkeep and then I replaced all the transporters and storage units and everything else that had been scrapped and got the base back up to speed. I've been maintaining that base ever since.
One thing I didn't do was kick out the old leader (or anyone else for that matter). That would be BS. It's been 3 years since he's logged on, but he's still a member when and if he wants to come back. But I am leader now and if he ever returns and thinks I've just been holding the group for him all these years waiting for him to come back, he's crazy.
Anyway, I think my example illustrates exactly why this policy was implemented in the first place.
Three years was the deadline I used before deciding to do housekeeping on the SG rosters I've inherited. There are still original SG members in the SG's but they log in from time to time before 3 years expires and their last login resets.
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So that Players, not the Man (in a tight star-emblemed outfit) had control of the group.
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Anyway, I think my example illustrates exactly why this policy was implemented in the first place.
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So I've not played in nearly 2 years. I log on to find that I have no SG. I was the leader of my SG, but now it's gone along w/ my base. Considering the immense amount of time I'd put into it that makes me not want to come back to this game after all. Does anyone have any idea what may have happened or if there is a way to fix it? Player support won't help me because I'm not a VIP.