Who has accurate information about the Tyrant Fight?

So here's my data on the Light of the Well level shifts from a run tonight. I took a bunch of screencaps (basically one a second), and looked at them later.

One complete cycle of Light of the Well, I never got any sort of a level shift at all.

I had an odd theory that perhaps you only got the level shifts if you took all 6 lights down within 10 seconds of their spawning. Several rounds where we didn't make that arbitrary 10 second window, and I got no shifts. But then:

18:38 to go in the trial: 6 lights spawn
14sec later, at 18:24, we're down to 1 light left. No level shift (showing 3)
19sec later, at 18:05, we still have 1 light left, and my level suddenly pops from 3 to 8
4sec later, at 18:01, we finally get that last light down (0:02 sec to next cycle). level shift still 8
17:57, we have 6 lights (new cycle), and level shift goes up to 9
17:55 (or possibly 17:56), level shift drops to 3


IF the level shifts are happening to only 16 lucky targets within some range, then it makes NO SENSE AT ALL that I would suddenly jump from a level shift of 3 to a level shift of 8 after nearly *20* seconds, unless everyone is similarly delayed, OR the shifts are being applied very very randomly.

I think it more likely that they're supposed to apply league-wide, but for some reason are occasionally delayed randomly or not applied at all.

It seems obvious to me that the level shift mechanism is broken in some fashion.

Edited to add: I forgot, I dropped my lore pets once when I was +8 or +9. Clicking on them later showed them changing level between 49+3 and 49+8/9 (I forget which). I couldn't tell what was making them flip back and forth; they were both in melee range of Tyrant (Cimerorans), and died shortly thereafter.

Regarding downward spiral:

On more than one occasion, when I have had the misfortune of dying, I have found myself dying again as soon as I get back to the battle for a couple of reasons:

1) Failure to retoggle everything. I think I've gotten a little spoiled logging in and having my characters all toggled up.
2) Lacking whatever buffs I had before I died.
3) Missing out on any level shifts that were gained while I was in the hospital
4) Being too far away to get the "air cackles" message and running face first into the flow lightning.

Anyone of those can be deadly and you can easily have several or all four happen at the same time. For me it's a natural reaction to want to get back into the fight as soon as possible. But I think I will now rush to the edge of the bowl, do a toggle check, look at the timer and hit pillars if up, and either use range attacks or wait for a flow lightning to go off before running in to punch Tyrant's ankles.

OK, I found a pretty concise report of what's going on with the level shifts.

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Originally Posted by Kragothe Further Information about the possible level shift bug: I took a league of 16 on a Mag yesterday and summoned NO PETS at all (No lores, decoys, any pets), we dropped Tyrant fast. I think we took out the lights 3 times before he was defeated. The 16 was 5 controllers, 1 blaster, 4 scrappers, 3 brutes, 2 tanks, and 1 stalker. On the trial before that I saw my Spectral Terror at +9 but I was not, to me that's a bug. Pets are getting hit with the level shifts and "stealing" it from us.

So it does seem that the AoE +level effect's limit is 16, and pets count against it. It seems likely that the entity that casts it is in the center of the bowl, but we don't know for sure. Typically, such effects count up targets from radially closest until the target max is filled. Since we don't know exactly where the center of that sphere is at or how far they are from it relative to leaguemates and pets, whether you get the buff is going to feel pretty random.

Even if the devs want the effect to cap at 16 players, having it affect pets count against that limit is nonsensical, in my opinion.

Cool. I wondered if it would show up in a demo file, but wasn't sure if invisible entities would. I guess it makes sense that it would, since visible effects might emanate from it later.

The official word: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...63#post4260963


Magisterium Mechanics
Hello all,

I hope you're enjoying the Magisterium! I wanted to pop in to clarify some mechanics of the final fight:

1.) Your deaths have no effect on Tyrant at all. He has no mechanics that trigger on player death

2.) There is currently a bug where only 16 players/pets will receive the level shift from destroying Light of the Well. We’ll be fixing this in an upcoming patch as quickly as possible – I checked the fix in as soon as the issue was discovered.

3.) Tyrant does not have a self heal. He does have a self-buff power which consumes his Olympian Guards, killing them, and providing him with bonus ToHit and Smashing Damage for each guard consumed in this way. This has a visual effect which looks a bit like a heal, but is meant instead to connote “Powering up off dark energy”.

4.) There is no direct negative effect to “Being in the hospital”. I have seen several people postulate that Tyrant heals or grows in power when people are in the hospital, but the only effect hosping has on him is that you’re dead and not DPSing, and therefore his regeneration is healing him better.

I hope this information helps you, and good luck in your endeavours to bring Tyrant down!

-Arbiter Hawk

Apologies in advance for the cross-post, but I wanted to put this out here.

Until they fix the Notice of the Well buff, I think I recommend two things for those who want to complete the trial.

• Shoot for 16 people max.
• Ask people to avoid summoning pets, even Lore.

Oh great....MasterMinds are going to be banned from the Mag trials until this bug is fixed.

We completed the Magisterium trial last night on a team of 18, 2 of which were MMs. The leader asked everyone to dismiss ALL pets during the final battle with Tyrant. Although that does neuter MM (and controller) damage output greatly, until the bug is fixed it's better to have players getting the level shifts than pets.

Now that we now what the problem is, I completed 2 Magis back to back last night after a long string of failures the past week. I'm guessing that when the fix goes live most balanced PuG teams will be able to complete this by taking out the lights and avoiding the crackling air.

I have no issues inviting MMs to my Mag trials. I also give instructions in the very beginning before we que that ALL pets will be dismissed for the Tyrant fight. Sure this takes away some from the MM, but as others have said...it is for the greater good.

Realistically it is only for a very small part of the trial that a MM/troller/dom cannot use their pets.

I expect to see this bug fixed within the next two weeks and all will be good in the land of heroes (well not all..but it will be more good LOL)

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Originally Posted by Paladiamors I love you, I Burnt the Toast!

Meh, most of my server seems to be waiting on the fix. After that's in, MMs and whatever will be no problem.