Need help figuring out how to slot this
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2012-05-21 22:07 in Player Questions
DEFINITELY go with IOs!!! They literally aren't MUCH more than SOs (cost wise) if you slot the cheap sets. Even the cheap sets give you bonuses that you wouldn't have by going with SOs. Yes, there are some CRAZY costly sets out there, but you don't HAVE to slot those. I say go with ones you can afford...often you can buy them already crafted for not much at all. Feel free to send me a tell in game if you want at either @Justice29 or @Clever One if you have any questions. I'm usually on evenings (Pacific Standard Time).
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Well since you Kajex are currently a F2P/Premium player, you are going to have to subscribe or buy a 160PP monthly license for IOs and a 160PP monthly license for the consignment house or buy IO sets directly from the Paragon Market.
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OP says they recently unlocked the permanent IO license. Means they also have the permanent WW license as well (it is lower tier).
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Well since you Kajex are currently a F2P/Premium player, you are going to have to subscribe or buy a 160PP monthly license for IOs and a 160PP monthly license for the consignment house or buy IO sets directly from the Paragon Market.
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Money is not a problem in this game. If you feel you need more, we can teach you how to make loads and loads.
Further, I have been gifting inf. to individuals and organizations in an effort to enhance people's enjoyment and gameplay for years. Let me know.
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Do you have access to the alignment system? If you can earn alignment merits, they're a great way to obtain high-priced IOs pretty reliably.
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I would suggest gaining more inf prior to slotting.
If you only have 300m then you would more than likely expect a lot more than what you will actually get, assuming you haven't built purp'd out toons etc.
I've access to the Alignment system, yes. And once again, I have yet to actually purchase an IO set. I think the most I ever did was build common IOs for my level 50.
As far as making money, I got lucky once or twice and got rare recipes that I didn't need and ended up selling, but the only real advice I got from SG members was to run AE missions for tickets, then purchase random silver recipes, then sell those recipes.
A bunch of melee players and I did 3 ae tests (not fire) to determine how fast a particular power set can kill. The test has a 30 min timer and goal is to defeat all. In general-
SOs only - 1/3 of map defeated in 30 mins
1 - 2 bill build - 1/2 of map defeated in 30 mins
2+ bill build - map clear, 10-15 mins left on timer.
The game is built around SOs. 80% of the players I know use SOs till 50. then they switch to set ios.
it boils down to how fast you want to get things done, and how much you are willing to work on your build.
As for money, if you dont mind marketing, visit the market forums for money making tips.
The other option is to run tfs for merits and then convert to a hero merit. Use hero merit to buy recipes.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
OP says they recently unlocked the permanent IO license. Means they also have the permanent WW license as well (it is lower tier).
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Also, that's one thing I never got. You gain access to Wentworth's/Black Market before you gain access to IOs-I'm not quite sure I understand why you would gain access to a feature that's only really useful if you've unlocked another feature on a higher tier.
Although I suppose that's assuming that IO licenses weren't purchasable off Paragon Market, which of course they are...
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The part to "get" is that whether or not you buy or slot a single IO, you can|
Originally Posted by Kajex
Also, that's one thing I never got. You gain access to Wentworth's/Black Market before you gain access to IOs-I'm not quite sure I understand why you would gain access to a feature that's only really useful if you've unlocked another feature on a higher tier.
Although I suppose that's assuming that IO licenses weren't purchasable off Paragon Market, which of course they are... |
use your access to the WW/BM Market to SELL the stuff you do pick up.
As others have pointed out, making inf in-game is very, very simple. The guide
in my signature, for instance, is a beginner approach that is failproof.
Also, 300M is more than enough to decently equip most toons with IO's. You'll
want to do a little reading about Frankenslotting in the guides area to understand
how to go about it, but it's quite effective.
I do that with most of my toons (in their L20-30's), and they're fine, and they
consistently outperform simple SO builds throughout their entire careers.
You only need massive amounts of inf if you're planning to seriously twink a toon
with purples and pvp sets - something that can be fun, but is never necessary
to play any of the game's normal content.
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Eventually, I do want to get VIP back so I can do Incarnate material, but am I right in assessing so far that, even for Incarnate material, I don't need all that much?|
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
You only need massive amounts of inf if you're planning to seriously twink a toon
with purples and pvp sets - something that can be fun, but is never necessary to play any of the game's normal content. |
I should elaborate by saying that I'm a bit of a casual player (I play other games), enough so that I'm not sure if I'm willing (or able) to sink the time and effort necessary to reach top potential.
Although the more I think about it, I'm probably pulling my hair out less over how to play the game and more over something I probably don't need.
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You can sell other things in Wentworth's/Black Market besides just IO's. ATO's can be purchased there and don't require an IO license since they are not IO's but are SBE's (Store Bought Enhancements). |
Originally Posted by Kajex
Also, that's one thing I never got. You gain access to Wentworth's/Black Market before you gain access to IOs-I'm not quite sure I understand why you would gain access to a feature that's only really useful if you've unlocked another feature on a higher tier.
Although I suppose that's assuming that IO licenses weren't purchasable off Paragon Market, which of course they are... |
That's why you get market access before getting IO access. More than just IO's are sold through the WW/BM auction houses.
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Originally Posted by Cag
I would suggest gaining more inf prior to slotting.
If you only have 300m then you would more than likely expect a lot more than what you will actually get, assuming you haven't built purp'd out toons etc. |
You can do a build by 'frankenslotting' for less than 50 million inf (maybe A LOT LESS, depending on your patience) that will utterly blow away the results you can get with SO's. Of course, to be fair, there are multi-billion inf builds out there (I have a couple) that will utterly blow away what you can do with frankenslotting.
Frankenslotting means picking pieces from different (and cheap) sets in order to get the enhancement effect you want, while ignoring the set bonuses. Getting the 'good set bonuses' is where the real cost is in 'high end' builds.
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Originally Posted by Kajex
Eventually, I do want to get VIP back so I can do Incarnate material, but am I right in assessing so far that, even for Incarnate material, I don't need all that much?
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| Although the more I think about it, I'm probably pulling my hair out less over how to play the game and more over something I probably don't need. |
Additional advice:
- See the link in my sig for the Mentor Project. It's a group of people who want to help other players and we have a cross-server help channel.
- Post in your server section to find an SG with one or more people willing to spend time helping/answering questions/etc. You can contact me if you're on Infinity.
- umm.... well, if you resubscribe, there's a forum section specifically about the Market and Inventions (but you can't post there unless you are VIP).
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You really need to to try it at least once. I kinda resisted learning the IO system when it first came out. But after I got into it, it's not that hard, and darn fun to get your first IO'd toon.|
Originally Posted by Kajex
Eventually, I do want to get VIP back so I can do Incarnate material, but am I right in assessing so far that, even for Incarnate material, I don't need all that much?
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Easiest is to ask for advice. There are general common themes that work. Defense and Recharge are big, for example. Resists are not; there just isn't enough resist in the IO sets to make it worth pursuing.
Once you have the general idea down, it's much easier to understand how folks are building, and how to tweak your own build. Mids is a big help too.
Again I'd encourage you to at least try. If you have access to the tip system, it's even easier because top level IOs are with-in reach.
I came to a decision- I decided to play the market a little bit, as per some suggestions from both the responses here as well as from a few friends. I wasn't prepared for how often Rare salvage dropped, either- it's alot more frequent than I remember it dropping.
But another thing I decided on was running Tip missions. I have 19 character slots, and 10 of them are currently devoted towards Heroes. I'm well aware of the fact that I can't transfer hero merits between toons, but if I remember correctly, that doesn't extend towards the rewards one can purchase with them- like rare recipes.
This also kinda helps me with rotating characters around in such a way that I get frequent play time with the ones I built, so it's not like I'm neglecting any of them for weeks on end, and I rarely get bored (-you- try switching your mindset between a BS/SD Scrapper and a Trick Arrow/Archery Defender, then to a Plant/Rad Controller, then to a Dark/Psy Dominator!).
Thanks for the input here, it really came in handy. ^_^
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If you "don't want to screw up" your IOs, use your dual build (available at any trainer.) Keep your main build your SO build for now, and basically shadow-level the IO build as you get what you want figured out and slotted.
Oh...
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... I do almost every time I play. >.> Yes, it does, on occasion, lead to me getting myself killed.
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Have you made your own personal SG? If not, make one and add the Base too. Ask someone to help you invite some of your alts to this personal SG so you can get the Prestige Bonuses. Put in a Workshop room and add an enhancement storage bin. As you continue to play, craft the IOs that you pick up and put them away in your bin. It doesn't matter what they are, you're doing this so you can get some familiarity with handling the IO enhancements in a relaxed environment. You can see their stats and set bonuses and compare between Sets. If you have the time and don't mind the tedium, you can hang out at the Market and put in low ball bids on every IO in the ranges you're interested in and you might get very lucky to snag several IOs that someone was dumping.|
Originally Posted by Kajex
I'm not part of any SG at the moment
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If you have an enhancement storage bin now, what is your global name? I've got a bunch of Set IO pieces that I have no need for and doesn't sell for crap that I'll be glad to pass on to you to play with.
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Do bronze, not silver. All silver adds is pool B (i.e. mission completion trash) at a much higher cost. Someone somewhere ran the numbers but i'm too lazy to find the thread.
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Originally Posted by Kajex
but the only real advice I got from SG members was to run AE missions for tickets, then purchase random silver recipes, then sell those recipes.
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You should probably get yourself a copy of Mids Hero Designer. That will let you try out builds and get an idea of what performance gains you can make without having to mess with your in-game builds.
(I didn't see a link posted yet, sorry if I missed it.)
Also, don't forget your second build. Once you've come up with an IO build you like, you can start working on it in your second build slot, so you can be patient about acquiring the IOs without leaving you with half a build.
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There are three routes for the resources you need to power up with Set IOs:
1. Play the Market for the INF to buy the IOs you need.
2. Farm the AE for Tickets for Random Recipe Rolls. Keep what you need, sell the rest.
3. Farm for Merits.Farming for Merits, for a non-Incarnates with Alignment Merit access, includes:
1. Run speed versions of Tips and then reinforce your Hero Alignment every other day for a free Hero Merit.
2. Purchase the Signature Story Arc #1.1. The blueside is the quickest to speed through at about 8-10 minutes. Do it twice a week for the free Hero Merit and then the bonus Reward Merits (both on a one week cool down). You have to reinforce Hero Alignment before the Hero Merits start dropping here.
3. Join your server's global channels, especially the one for TFs. Run TFs... a lot. TFs provide a steady stream of INF and drops for a good chunk of time and then pay off with Reward Merits. Do the designated WST every week for the bonus Merits. Reward Merits can be used to directly purchase the IOs that are way too expensive on the Market, or...
4. Convert Reward Merits to Hero Merits. You can only do this once per day. Use two Hero Alignment Merits to purchase the very expensive IOs you want (e.g., Luck of the Gambler:+Recharge). One A-Merit will buy almost any other IO... but you probably would do better with purchasing most on the market with INF. Use Merits for the expensive or hard-to-get ones.Once you become Incarnate, farming for Astral and Empyrean Merits is another source of purchasing very rare and expensive IOs. Also, the Incarnate TFs open up to you and running the two back-to-back as Incarnates is 80 Merits in less than an hour... the fastest non-gimmick way to get Merits in the game.
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Small elaboration here: the timer is PER CHARACTER. If you have 10 toons high enough to run this, you can get 10 Alignment Merits per week.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
2. Purchase the Signature Story Arc #1.1. The blueside is the quickest to speed through at about 8-10 minutes. Do it twice a week for the free Hero Merit and then the bonus Reward Merits (both on a one week cool down). You have to reinforce Hero Alignment before the Hero Merits start dropping here.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Small elaboration here: the timer is PER CHARACTER. If you have 10 toons high enough to run this, you can get 10 Alignment Merits per week.
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*twitch*
Okay. Now I gotta plot out a schedule, because now this seems more possible than I'd initially considered it.
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Indeed, I have four toons I regularly run through this every week.|
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Small elaboration here: the timer is PER CHARACTER. If you have 10 toons high enough to run this, you can get 10 Alignment Merits per week.
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Additional small elaboration: The same holds true for A-Merits from Tips: You can have several toons farm the A-Merits every other day. And the same holds true to avoid the diminishing returns from TFs -- if you just finished an Imperious TF and someone's starting a new one, switch toons for the full Reward Merit rewards.
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Check out some of these posts when you have time.|
Originally Posted by Kajex
I came to a decision- I decided to play the market a little bit, as per some suggestions from both the responses here as well as from a few friends.
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The Lazy Marketeer's Journal was posted over a year ago in the Market section of the boards. The prices listed in the post will be different that what you see on the live servers in most cases (mainly due to things like Enhancement Converters). I found it to be an interesting read and I think it could be useful to folks who are new to "marketeering". No discussion of hardcore farming IIRC...just running missions, buying recipes, buying salvage, crafting and selling.
A Market Journal: From 0 to Millions was posted in 2010. Again, prices will be different but the general stratagies listed will remain the same. The poster incorporated some farming along with missions and TFs. She also restriced her experiment to 7 days.
Zero to Awesome (30 day project) was posted in 2011.
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Originally Posted by Organica
Here's a project that I've been planning to do for a few months: run a character from 1 to 50 in about 30 days, and finish with a completely IO'd build.
Not much of a novelty in the days of "self-PL your brute to 50 in hours" guides, but for my goal is more to show that a solid IO build is just as easy to pull together as is getting to 50. (And that may not be much of a revelation either, but after all, there are probably people out there who still haven't investigated an IO build because it's complicated and expensive. (Which is why I'm posting it here... it's more an exercise in leveraging the market to a nice build by level 50.) |
I am a very very very lazy marketeer. Actually, I'm really not a marketeer at all. I never craft anything to sell (for the most part). Any drops I do get I list on the market for 1 influence. If it doesn't sell immediately on the market then I sell it at a vendor. I do the same thing with bronze recipe rolls. I think I could make a ridiculous amount of money if I put some effort into crafting and selling items. But just playing the game at level 50 and running a ticket farm (with my below average "farmer") yields so much profit.
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Originally Posted by Kajex
I guess, in short, I want to know what kind of options I might have, as far as if I can dabble in IOs, if I should stick with SOs ftm, or if I should attempt to build my coffers before committing to a decision.
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Read through the links I provided. Also, check out the Market section of the forums (specifically the guide sticky). Generating influence/infamy in this game is really easy. Your 300 million will turn into +2 Billion in no time at all.
I've been playing the game for years now, and I'm almost ashamed to say that in the 3+ years I've sunk into this game, I've never had a single IO set, nor have I ever had the access to funds to purchase them. I've only managed to ever get one character to 50, and the last time I played him he was still slotted with SOs (even though he had Incarnate abilities unlocked).
I'm now playing a Broadsword/Shield Defense Scrapper on Freedom, and I'm not sure I'm doing the damage I could be doing even with just SOs. I recently unlocked permanent IO access, but I'm still sticking with SOs out of caution. I have about 300 million Influence, but I don't dare purchase anything for fear that I might end up wasting my money on a system that I feel I don't completely understand yet. I'm not part of any SG at the moment, and the few times I -was- involved in an SG, they were groups that didn't offer much in the way of help.
I guess, in short, I want to know what kind of options I might have, as far as if I can dabble in IOs, if I should stick with SOs ftm, or if I should attempt to build my coffers before committing to a decision.
(Ahead of time- I apologize if this is the incorrect forum to post this, I'm new to posting)