Capt A. and Parachuting...

True but still it would depend on what he's drinking. Perhaps we should send him some ole Thunderbird......

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The Sentry should be filed under W.W.N.S.O.T. WE WILL NOT SPEAK OF THIS

That character is nothing but a convoluted trainwreck and a cheap rip off of Superman. Good riddance to him

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Good riddance? You make it sound like hes gone; he brought himself back to life like three times while I was reading some stuff recently.

I get the gist of what youre saying, but I actually liked the original concept of the Sentry and even his recent direction.

As far as a rip off, sure...but what main comic characters/powers arent basically copies of others? We could fill a page of TLDRness with Green Arrow/Hawkeye and Flash/Quick Silver references.

I prefer characters that have issues. To me, its better than just being an all powerful, staright forward, good guy with a couple of weaknesses that most dont or cant exploit.

While I'm a fan, I just dont find the straight forward Superman archetype of heroes very interesting.

**edit** Ive been on a military post for a minute and cant find any Super Soldier Serum anywhere

Sentry has been dead since SIEGE, no word of his return yet. But the door was left open for his comeback. Also what I didn't like is that he was marketed as a "forgotten creation of Stan Lee" which was later revealed to be false and only a marketing ploy. False advertising? Plus I was not a fan of how he was shoehorned into continuity by saying that he erased the world's memories of him.

IF Marvel really feels they need a "Superman" they already have THOR, but if another one must be created, make him a new hero and none of his continuity shoehorning garbage.

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Well the world record for bench pressing is 1075lbs. And Cap is suppossed to be absolute peak human, so they likely rounded it up to a nice looking round number.

I dont think it was as simple as this; it seems like some actual thought went into the concept of introducing the character and I kind of dug the process behind it.

As far as being a knockoff Superman, other than sharing some of the same powesets that a million other heroes/villains have (flight, superstrength etc), it looks like thats where the similiarities end. He supposedly got a SSS that was a million times more powerful than the one used on CPT America. Sentry's powers seem to be more mind over matter, in addition to teleportation, obviously being able to resurrect himself and others, energy blasts, some mental abilities etc. the list goes on. If you want to compare the Sentry to one of the strongest icons on the DC side, I can understand...but it sounds more like the Sentry is to Superman what Galactus is to The Hulk.

Anyways, one of those things to agree to disagree on. Im just a fan of conflicted and troubled characters, especially since it was revealed he started off as a drug addict that accidentally got his hands on the SSS versus...well, Superman. You can only create so many characters origins that start off as the lone, alien survivor sent to earth.

OK, didn't realize it was that high. Nevermind then.

What I found interesting was that compared to 616 Cap, the effects of the serum were greater in the movie. Yet at the same time, I got the impression that movie Cap's training was a mere shadow of his 616 counterpart's. We didn't see that he had the best martial arts teachers in a dozen different styles. Or that he learned to operate everything from tanks to submarines (except that he could crash a plane). From the looks of it, this cap got standard, maybe a bit more intensive, Army training before getting the serum, and nothing much afterward.

So he's running mostly on the serum, guts and luck. Probably to emphasize how green he is for his origin movie.

In a way, that's closer to the Ultimate universe version of Cap. There the serum did give him low-moderate level super powers that do exceed normal human limits. Example: Ultimate Cap is in the 'small car tossing' range of super strength. Except Ultimate cap was implied to have received similar levels of training as the 616 version on top of his powers.

I hope in Cap 2 that SHIELD gets him some additional training between then and the Avengers film. Because it's not the 40's anymore and he's not going to be going up against just normal people with slightly better guns. If he's getting by on the serum now, you're going to see a repeat of the Blondsky vs Hulk fight when he goes up against some super humans or see someone with a Black Widow-level of martial arts training utterly destroy him.


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Before he got the serum in the movie, Rogers was already very intelligent. He appeared to study every book he could get his hands on and did try to keep up with the training despite being bullied as well as being a weakling. After all, he did outsmart the rest of the squad with the flagpole test which shows he is smart and adapts to situations.

After the serum amps him up, it only took a brief glance at a Hydra map for him to redraw the map back at base and mark the locations of their bases. This tells me his memory recollection is now augmented, possibly to photographic memory levels. So as far as things like weapons usage and vehicle handling he likely read every manual he could find, also any books on combat training and hand to hand combat he likely would read as well. Just because the senator made him into a "chorus girl" as the Tommy Lee called him doesn't mean that he wasn't studying on the side as he awaited the promise from the senator of his own platoon.

As to the crashing of the plane in the arctic waters, I don't see why people scoff at him for doing that. The plane was on course for new york and was loaded with tesseract-bombs that were likely precursors to the atomic bomb. They said that the Skull had the fire power to wipe out the Eastern seaboard. Ditching the bombs may not have been possible without them going off, also as smart and capable as he was I don't think there was enough time to get Howard Stark on the line and then Cap would have to tell Howard what the controls and gauges all look like and then Howard has to try to figure out how to tell Cap how to land the plane safely somewhere so that neither it nor the bombs explode. Also that was a flying wing, a bit advanced for the time and Howard was having trouble earlier when he was studying the submarine that Steve captured along with the Hydra assassin. So could Howard have helped Cap land the plane? Maybe, maybe not.

Also, it is not as if Cap wiped out all of Hydra's bases in a day or a week or a month. It would take time to set things up and move troops into position and prep for the attacks. During that time I suspect Cap was getting some off screen training and studying done to make sure he was ready.

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In the comic yes. I was speaking about the movie.

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I love Cap. He is my favorite all time super hero. I have every Cap comic starting with issue 100. (Not counting appearances in other comic titles).
I even have quite a few of the Tales of Suspense.

And even I think the whole crashing the plane was just a stupid plot hole.

I have flown planes. I was in the Air Force for 23 years. And that scene was just plain dumb.

He had full control of the plane. He could have attempted to LAND the plane at the least. If it ended up crashing that would have been fine. But for a man as intelligent as he was to state that he was intentionally going to crash the plane was silly.
Yes it was going to attack NY. But he had full control of the aircraft. He could have flown it anywhere (with fuel being a limiting factor).
It would have been more heroic to me if he had attempted to LAND the damaged plane. It still could have crashed despite his attempt. That would have been fine. I just rolled my eyes at that entire scene when I saw it. Silly doesn't begin to describe how awful that was.
I get that the point was to have him lost in the ice so he could be frozen till modern day times. Ironically the comics did that so very much better.

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Maybe this'll help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...O9SXto0Q#t=23s



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As someone who can pilot I too find the scene a bit silly, but that was a rather advanced aircraft, and while he may have had some control over it, I am not positive that the bombs weren't set to auto drop on targets if he got within target range. Also had he crashed the plane the bombs may have exploded and that could have been bad. I'd have to rewatch it later on but I think the bombs were armed when he looked at the readouts and felt there was no other way. Now if there was a parachute on board he could have set the plane on crash course and then parachuted out only to still be frozen.

As to the classic comic scene of him and Bucky on the drone plane, yeah that still is pretty good and we got a different version of that in the movie with Bucky holding on to the train as Cap reached for him.

Still as you say, that had to get him on ice somehow. I wonder if any deleted Avengers footage has him looking up the history files on his old comrades and Peggy or if it is all saved for Cap 2. I still suspect that if Howard Stark helped start SHIELD, that Peggy and Cap's Commandos were original SHIELD agents.

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The Sentry can control his own molecules and reform himself from what Ive seen. He's also come back after running himself into the sun, so if hes "dead" now...I think its because he wants to be (or the writers want him to be).

As far as Cap's looks go, I dont think you can get much more pure, all american, anglo-saxon, blonde haired and blue eyed than him. He was created to be a super patriotic archetype and I suppose those features are what many see as the standard for that concept. Same effect I think Hitler was shooting for.

It seems that the military was more concerned with the SSS fine tuning a soldier's physical and mental abilities to peak levels versus making him/her "look cuter". The scientific personnel working the project should have had someone from America's Top Model as an advisor as well I guess.

Trust me, it was no coincidence that Simon and Kirby made Steve Rogers after he got the SSS a 6 foot plus tall, blond haired, blue eyed man.

In fact go back and watch the movie, after the vita ray pod opens and everyone sees what Rogers has become, as the Colonel and Senator stand up you can hear someone say "Looks like they created an Aryan."

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Yeah, exactly lol.

Obviously not always but...I think that's pretty much the standard across the board for anything:

good guys = fair complexion, blonde hair & blue eyes, vibrant outfits etc
villains = darker, dark hair, dark eyes, dark costumes etc.

Quick examples off the top of my head would be Cap vs R.Skull and Thor vs Loki.

In game I always try to flip that concept by making my heroes look somewhat villainous and creating my villains with more of a heroic aspect.

That's true. But now that you mention pretty boys...wasn't Starfox an Avenger? I wonder if he might show up in the sequel to fight his brother Thanos. Or is the movie audience ready for a hero with super-orgasm powers?

Yes.

...I'll be in my bunk.

Well if he shows up I don't think they can call him Starfox these days.

We'd be more likely to get Drax the Destroyer, Adam Warlock, Captain Mar-Vell before we get Starfox.

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I liked Starfox in the old Avengers' comic...kind of a comical deal.
He was pretty standard with the "super punch in the face, flight" etc powers but had the additional ability to make the ladies panties wet.

He'd serve better as a cameo role in whatever porn version of the Avengers is being produced.