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Give Premium a much-needed boost...

Aggelakis

By Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2012-04-28 22:50 in Suggestions and Ideas

 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
I have to bookmark this thread for the laughs the OP is giving me. He's as funny as the guy that demanded the CoH sub fee get lowered because he couldn't afford this game on top of what he spent each month on (his detailed monthly budget of) booze, gambling, pron, and a dozen other sub based video games.
I wonder if that guy is playing as a preemie now that he can afford his porn and play COH at the same time.

 

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There are already quite a lot of substantial benefits for premium players as they climb the rewards tree. The devs WANT players to subscribe. That is, after all, how they make most of their revenue. So they offer various benefits to subscription, including some exclusive benefits, like Incarnate powers. Subscribing is supposed to be a very attractive option. If there's a feature someone wants from the game, and they want it enough to subscribe for it - great! Objective accomplished. If not Incarnate powers, what extremely desirable feature would you rather give up while premium to make VIP remain attractive to the game's best customers?

 

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Feel free to offer your counterpoints, if you have any.
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It's messages like this one (and there are plenty more) that show people have lost the capacity to actually read something that's longer than a Twitter post.
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Funny, but when I was growing up, I thought altruism was considered one of the highest virtues, and yet on Virtue, where I know many of you reside, you act like you've never heard of it.
You know, whenever you're trying to persuade other people to see things your way and follow your advice, I find that not snidely insulting their intelligence in the same breath helps.

"Now, I'm not saying this guy at Microsoft sees gamers as a bunch of rats in a Skinner box. I'm just saying that he illustrates his theory of game design using pictures of rats in a Skinner box."

 

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Lol.
/this

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You know, whenever you're trying to persuade other people to see things your way and follow your advice, I find that not snidely insulting their intelligence in the same breath helps.
And /this

100% pure Columbian lol.

Seriously. We've gone from "Pay or no play" to "Don't pay and get most of the game, or pay and get a few nice things on top of it." Premium doesn't need a boost.

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
I have to bookmark this thread for the laughs the OP is giving me. He's as funny as the guy that demanded the CoH sub fee get lowered because he couldn't afford this game on top of what he spent each month on (his detailed monthly budget of) booze, gambling, pron, and a dozen other sub based video games.
That was a very funny thread...

I don't think this one is funny per se... just the same old "gimme gimme"

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I love you, I Burnt the Toast!

 

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*SCHNIP!*
Sorry. But I'm going to add my voice to the "Hahaha! YeahNO!" box.

Yes. Preemies have paid money. Some more than others.

They deserve something.

They've GOTTEN something. Their Paragon Rewards tokens, whatever points are in their account and anything they've paid to perma-unlock.

On TOP of that, they get to play everything BUT the Incarnate stuff and SSAs FOR FREE!

But you don't think they're getting their money's worth? You're getting all that for $0.00 a month. Where as, before, at that price, you got JACK SQUAT! And had to LIKE it that way!

If you want the Incarnate stuff, pay the $12-15/month (depending on your sub length and how hard you go after discounted time). Plain and simple.

If you don't want to pay the $12-15/month? Fine. Be happy with the massive amount of stuff you're getting for free.

Don't like those options? Take the third option.

Go pay to play ANOTHER game!

Or the fourth

Go NOT pay to play another game that gives you nothing or at least nothing close to what CoH does. Then come back once you're more appropriately educated and grateful.


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That was a very funny thread...

I don't think this one is funny per se... just the same old "gimme gimme"
What I find funny are the mental gymnastics both parties have gone thru to justify the validity of their over developed sense of entitlement, and how quickly they resorted to insulting everyone that pointed out the massive holes in their arguments.

 

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What I find funny are the mental gymnastics both parties have gone thru to justify the validity of their over developed sense of entitlement, and how quickly they resorted to insulting everyone that pointed out the massive holes in their arguments.
you wouldn't happen to have a link to that old thread would ya... need a good laugh

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I love you, I Burnt the Toast!

 

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What I find funny are the mental gymnastics both parties have gone thru to justify the validity of their over developed sense of entitlement, and how quickly they resorted to insulting everyone that pointed out the massive holes in their arguments.
Yeah....that amused me as well.

I'm not even going to bother pointing out how ridiculous the OP's argument here is, you have all done a stellar job of doing so already.

Not getting enough for free indeed.......

Edit: Also, not to put too fine a point on it, but if there were a way I could play my Incarnate characters without subscribing, CoH would not have gotten a dime from me since September of last year.

Why? Because I already have access to everything else for free. Look around at the number of registration dates on the forums that are in 2006 or earlier...all those people have access to everything EXCEPT Incarnates free, for life. If all those people suddenly stopped subscribing because they could earn their way to Incarnates for free, the game would take a SUBSTANTIAL hit to its revenue stream.

And trust me when I say: If you are currently F2P or Premium you do NOT want those players to stop subscribing, because THEY are paying for you to play the damn game. No subscribers = No more game within a year or two.

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See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

 

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Subscribers get 400 points a month, that's a new powerset every two months. Not sure what else you need there. Are you trying to come up with a way for non-subscription to be a valid way to have everything in the game? Because, that doesn't seem to be the intent at all, rather, it's exactly the opposite, that only subscription makes sense. Otherwise you are playing a glorified trial account.
You do realize that's a 5 dollar value, right? As in 1/3 of what we pay?

Goodbye. Not to the game, but the players. Goodbye. Everyone, remember to have fun. That's all I can say.

 

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Right... which means all the other benefits of VIP effectively cost $10. Is that bad somehow?

 

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You do realize that's a 5 dollar value, right? As in 1/3 of what we pay?
Then add in the signature story arcs, free Powersets and costumes, incarnate content and it soon starts to look more attractive to subscribe.

 

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you wouldn't happen to have a link to that old thread would ya... need a good laugh
I'll email ya the link. I'd hate to see it get modded or deleted because the old OP named game names which might be a violation of current forum rules now.

 

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You do realize that's a 5 dollar value, right? As in 1/3 of what we pay?
You also get a free transfer = $10 value.

So, as of right then you are buying 400 points and a server transfer and playing for free.

If you then add in the free access to power sets that Premiums have to pay for (Time Manipulation, the Dark sets, and Dual Pistols, Electric Control, Demon Summoning, and Kinetic Melee if you didn't buy Going Rogue). Those are $10 each.

The SSA's are $10 each, VIP gets those for free as well. If you wanted to play all 7 of them as a Premium it would cost you $70.

With all the stuff you get for free as a VIP that you would otherwise have to shell out money to get, they are effectively paying US to play.

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See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

 

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You do realize that's a 5 dollar value, right? As in 1/3 of what we pay?
You do realize that that isn't the only thing VIP's get, right? And you do realize that many VIP's sub in advance so their monthly subs can be as low as $11.95 so even if the only perk was that $5 dollar value that is actually just less than 1/2 our sub fee not 1/3 of what we pay.

 

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I'll email ya the link. I'd hate to see it get modded or deleted because the old OP named game names which might be a violation of current forum rules now.
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You also get a free transfer = $10 value.

So, as of right then you are buying 400 points and a server transfer and playing for free.

If you then add in the free access to power sets that Premiums have to pay for (Time Manipulation, the Dark sets, and Dual Pistols, Electric Control, Demon Summoning, and Kinetic Melee if you didn't buy Going Rogue). Those are $10 each.

The SSA's are $10 each, VIP gets those for free as well. If you wanted to play all 7 of them as a Premium it would cost you $70.

With all the stuff you get for free as a VIP that you would otherwise have to shell out money to get, they are effectively paying US to play.
And don't forget the free Paragon reward VIP's get each month which costs Prems $15 to get.

 

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Time to break out my favorite reaction GIF:



Even though i'm T9, I still subscribe for:

A) The benefits it brings, as have been named
B) To help fund the company make the game I love

And, I'll always say it when something VAGUELY about this topic crops up, If someone got what I paid [A LOT OF MONEY] for, for free, then uh .. yeah, there'd be problems. BIG PROBLEMS.

The current model is fine. Leave it alone. It doesn't need discussing.

I was doing some playthroughs of City of Heroes. Now they will serve as memories of a better time ...

 

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You do realize that that isn't the only thing VIP's get, right? And you do realize that many VIP's sub in advance so their monthly subs can be as low as $11.95 so even if the only perk was that $5 dollar value that is actually just less than 1/2 our sub fee not 1/3 of what we pay.
Thanks for misunderstanding what I said and inadvertently agreeing with me.

Goodbye. Not to the game, but the players. Goodbye. Everyone, remember to have fun. That's all I can say.

 

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Thanks for misunderstanding what I said and inadvertently agreeing with me.
If there was a misunderstanding the fault is entirely yours for not elaborating with a more comprehensive explanation of what you intended to mean in your post. If you bothered to read the thread I was not the first person to provide additional facts that you failed to include in your post, nor was I the last.

 

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If there was a misunderstanding the fault is entirely yours for not elaborating with a more comprehensive explanation of what you intended to mean in your post. If you bothered to read the thread I was not the first person to provide additional facts that you failed to include in your post, nor was I the last.
Yeah... I'm not going to claim that I have no faults in this situation, and yes, I really should have elaborated, but I was making the same point those who responded to my post did, even if it doesn't appear that way.

Goodbye. Not to the game, but the players. Goodbye. Everyone, remember to have fun. That's all I can say.

 

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Yeah... I'm not going to claim that I have no faults in this situation, and yes, I really should have elaborated, but I was making the same point those who responded to my post did, even if it doesn't appear that way.
Hey don't worry, none of us are perfect. (especially me. )

 

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The OP seems to feel that he's already invested "enough" money in this game that he should get to play it - all of it, Incarnates included - for free from now on.

Doesn't work that way, mate.

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I find the logic in this statement fascinating.



Translation: The OP believes that people that are playing for free aren't getting their moneys worth.

^ Speaks everything.

 

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The SSA's are $10 each, VIP gets those for free as well. If you wanted to play all 7 of them as a Premium it would cost you $70.
That really puts into perspective how hideously overpriced these were. 70 quid!!