Dimension Shift....


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Ok so im not entirely sure if this is me being stupid or what, but could Dimension shift be used defensively?

- Toggle, Ranged (Location AoE), Foe Intangible
Location-targeted AoE toggle. This power folds space in an area, immobilizing and phasing all targets within the sphere. Enemies who enter the area become immobilized and phased for the duration of the effect. Allies who enter the sphere's area of effect will enter the phase as well, allowing them to combat phased enemies. Detoggling this power ends the effect, bringing the phased creatures back into the physical world. Maintaining this dimensional distortion is taxing on the user, and cannot be done for more than 20 seconds. Recharge: Slow -

basically it creates an area in which anything that enters it becomes phased and those outside the field cannot effect those within, unless they themselves enter then it becomes a free-for-all.

SO say for example your team was fighting a GM or AV and some people were near death could they be phased out with Dimesion Shift and then heal within the field while the others occupy the GM/AV??

If this is correct and its not just me being stupid it will still be a very situational power but it could be a life saver.


 

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Yeah, it works. Used it to save the team from multiple missile-spewing Titans when we entered a mish and got a massive ambush right then and there. Beat down the stuff in melee, then waltz out and work over the rest.


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It's still one of the most annoying powers in the game though.

I've nova'd right as a grav teammate dimensioned shifted "most" of the spawn. I wound up nuking 3 mobs and still had the end crash for my troubles.

When you cast a rain power on the mobs the pseudo pet shares your state, so if you were outside when you cast it, and your teammate dimension shifts all the damage (and secondary effects) of your pseudo pets goes to waste until you move into the phased area (which if you are a built for range squishy you may not want to do).

All in all (in my book) dimension shift went from being a "0 of 10 stars" power to a "2 of 10 stars" power. It's still a skip power for me and I still leave teams that have grav players unless I know their play style or have teamed with them frequently in the past.


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Ouch! Yeh i imagine there are a few people out there who havent quite grasped the correct time in which to use it - myself included.

I think its almost too much of a situational power really. Its not like you can single out a specific enemy and phase him for a period while dealing with the underlings. Perhaps it would be more useful on the incarnate trials.

If you have the space to take it then take it, but there will always be something better.


 

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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
I still leave teams that have grav players unless I know their play style or have teamed with them frequently in the past.
You'll leave entire teams based off the powerset choice of a single player you haven't even seen in action?

Wow.


 

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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
I still leave teams that have grav players unless I know their play style or have teamed with them frequently in the past.




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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
I still leave teams that have grav players unless I know their play style or have teamed with them frequently in the past.
How have you played frequently with one of them when you leave the teams each time you see them

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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
I still leave teams that have grav players unless I know their play style or have teamed with them frequently in the past.
That seems a bit.... premature. Do you check whether they even have the power first, or is it wormhole as well? And wouldn't it make a bit more sense to wait until you see if they're actually going to misuse them or not?


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I have this power on my Gravity/Dark Controller and I'm still experimenting with it. Where I've found some use for it is on Lambda trials during the temp collection phase. If I'm running down a congested hallway or there are a lot of adds following the team I'll throw it down behind me. Since no one fights those mobs anyways it's not disruptive to anyone's attacks. It's also fairly useful if you're stealthing for glowies and there happens to be a group nearby. I'm sure there are more uses for it that I've yet to master. The fact that I need to think about how I use it is partially why I took it.



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Originally Posted by eth_Nargy View Post
You'll leave entire teams based off the powerset choice of a single player you haven't even seen in action?

Wow.
Yep. I usually check vet badges first though. Far far far too many bad experiences with bad grav players. I once was on a 3 hour PUG ITF (I was helping a newbie I was trying to mentor) that featured a grav/FF controller. If we had kicked him we'd have been done in an hour.

I won't go into that particular missions details again lets just say that I won't stay on a team with a grav player that I don't know unless he/she has at least 4 years of CoX experience and even then its a first 5 minutes type thing.

To date I've never teamed with a "good" grav player and the recent "update" to grav means that there are lots more "bad" grav players out there. To save myself the hassle I just don't team with them.


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D.S. is just one of those powers that people react badly too. Even when used prudently. It doesn't matter if the caster used it to stop a complete team wipe. Or if he/she stopped a particularly nasty ambush... most of the team freaks out "ZOMG u stopped me from hitting enemies.... noooooes...".

I find it great solo though, but I'll rarely use it on a team. Even if I think it will save someone from faceplanting.

It's not a bad power now, its just highly situational.. so in that respect it hasn't changed.


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Originally Posted by RiverOcean View Post
D.S. is just one of those powers that people react badly too. Even when used prudently. It doesn't matter if the caster used it to stop a complete team wipe. Or if he/she stopped a particularly nasty ambush... most of the team freaks out "ZOMG u stopped me from hitting enemies.... noooooes...".

I find it great solo though, but I'll rarely use it on a team. Even if I think it will save someone from faceplanting.

It's not a bad power now, its just highly situational.. so in that respect it hasn't changed.
If you use it in a "team about to wipe" situation then typically other people are also using their "team about to wipe" powers. So someone is doing their aoe hold and someone else is doing an aoe nuke, etc. And by dimension-shifting you have just rendered those useless. The aoe hold and nuke would have let people keep on attacking and finishing things off. Dimension shift is just pissing people off.

I honestly don't see much of a use for it in a team about to wipe situation. The only uses for it that I see are:

(1) Solo if for some reason you couldn't be bothered to spend 5 mins getting the Warburg phase power instead and save a power slot.

(2) Slotting purposes. Gravitational anchor and enfeebled operation both have solid set bonuses.

or
(3) In a team situation which is not a team about to wipe situation where you clearly say ahead of time exactly when and where you are going to use it and everyone is on the same page as you. There would probably be a better way of solving whatever issue you are trying to have it solve, but at least then everyone would know.

I think quitting a team with someone playing a grav character before they have even done anything is rather premature. I would agree though that dimension shift went from about 0/10 to about 2/10. I see its main use as letting you slot grav anchor for another purple or enfeebled operation for 4.06 s/l def and a little recharge.


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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
Yep. I usually check vet badges first though. Far far far too many bad experiences with bad grav players. I once was on a 3 hour PUG ITF (I was helping a newbie I was trying to mentor) that featured a grav/FF controller. If we had kicked him we'd have been done in an hour.

I won't go into that particular missions details again lets just say that I won't stay on a team with a grav player that I don't know unless he/she has at least 4 years of CoX experience and even then its a first 5 minutes type thing.

To date I've never teamed with a "good" grav player and the recent "update" to grav means that there are lots more "bad" grav players out there. To save myself the hassle I just don't team with them.
You do know that the chances of a 4 year vet playing just as badly as any 3-day newbie is about 90%, right?


 

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Originally Posted by eth_Nargy View Post
You do know that the chances of a 4 year vet playing just as badly as any 3-day newbie is about 90%, right?
Yep. In fact the Grav/FF previously mentioned was a 5 year vet that had PL'd his Grav toon. He thought he was supposed to Dimension Shift every thing and then anything he missed was supposed to be Detention Fielded. He ran Force Bubble constantly so any melee focused toons couldn't benefit from Dispersion Bubble and he made sure that he pushed stuff off of all the debuff patches. He was really fond of Worm Holing stuff all over the map because he was "saving" everyone.

He single handedly flung everything except the squid nicti off the temple platform in the first mission of the ITF. We literally had to clear the entire map to find all the romans that were in the spawn guarding Sister Solaris. The TF went downhill after that.


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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
Yep. In fact the Grav/FF previously mentioned was a 5 year vet that had PL'd his Grav toon. He thought he was supposed to Dimension Shift every thing and then anything he missed was supposed to be Detention Fielded. He ran Force Bubble constantly so any melee focused toons couldn't benefit from Dispersion Bubble and he made sure that he pushed stuff off of all the debuff patches. He was really fond of Worm Holing stuff all over the map because he was "saving" everyone.

He single handedly flung everything except the squid nicti off the temple platform in the first mission of the ITF. We literally had to clear the entire map to find all the romans that were in the spawn guarding Sister Solaris. The TF went downhill after that.
Sounds like you had an idiot.

If I had to avoid every team with a certain AT/powerset which at one point caused the rest of my team trouble, I'd be forced to solo.


 

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Originally Posted by eth_Nargy View Post
Sounds like you had an idiot.

If I had to avoid every team with a certain AT/powerset which at one point caused the rest of my team trouble, I'd be forced to solo.
Indeed, he was the worst ever but like I said I've never seen a "good" one. I've seen Amazing tanks, Amazing Doms, Amazing Blasters, Amazing Scrappers, etc.

I've never seen an Amazing grav anything. Even the "best" ones are mediocre and anything not the best usually griefs the team even though it may be accidental. I think its baked into the power set to be honest.


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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
You don't have to worry about how I use Dimension Shift because I'm constantly Team Teleporting everyone around to where they should be so, therefore, you won't run into it.
You are running group flight while you do that aren't you? Otherwise you aren't doing it right.....


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i have it on my grav troller and i have to say i get more use out of it in solo situations than team situations, i usually dont need to use it in teams unless i really want to block off a doorway or something

i basically have it with the default enhance slot with end reduction and use it only in emergencies like when most of the team is dead except me so i can pop insp and rez what i can before it runs out, its definitely not a throwaway power like it was before, but its still pretty situational


 

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I've run into a few players using it on teams recently. It's mostly annoying. Had a couple of my AoEs fizzle. What I'm unsure of is whether it also prevents teammates from healing/buffing each other across the barrier. The team I was on was unfortunate enough to also have a Energy Blast character, who blew all of the enemies out of the shift more or less the moment it was created.


 

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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
Yep. In fact the Grav/FF previously mentioned was a 5 year vet that had PL'd his Grav toon. He thought he was supposed to Dimension Shift every thing and then anything he missed was supposed to be Detention Fielded. He ran Force Bubble constantly so any melee focused toons couldn't benefit from Dispersion Bubble and he made sure that he pushed stuff off of all the debuff patches. He was really fond of Worm Holing stuff all over the map because he was "saving" everyone.

He single handedly flung everything except the squid nicti off the temple platform in the first mission of the ITF. We literally had to clear the entire map to find all the romans that were in the spawn guarding Sister Solaris. The TF went downhill after that.
Are you aware that you're allowed, even encouraged, to talk to your teammates? You can say anything from casual banter to strategic advice! But wait, what if a teammate won't listen? Good news: you can even talk to the team leader; unless someone hawked it for booze money, they should have access to a kick button.


 

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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
Yep. I usually check vet badges first though. Far far far too many bad experiences with bad grav players. I once was on a 3 hour PUG ITF (I was helping a newbie I was trying to mentor) that featured a grav/FF controller. If we had kicked him we'd have been done in an hour.

I won't go into that particular missions details again lets just say that I won't stay on a team with a grav player that I don't know unless he/she has at least 4 years of CoX experience and even then its a first 5 minutes type thing.

To date I've never teamed with a "good" grav player and the recent "update" to grav means that there are lots more "bad" grav players out there. To save myself the hassle I just don't team with them.
I read the two first comments you made in this thread and I am appalled. What a prejudicial elitist attitude towards other players... good lord - I don't care what one or two people did to you to slow your progress a little, but not even wanting to help them, just wanting to plain kick them, or not join based on veteran badges (because we all know how amazing they are at showing knowledge/skill) or quitting a group due to a powerset + badge combo raises all kinds of red flags.


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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
To date I've never teamed with a "good" grav player and the recent "update" to grav means that there are lots more "bad" grav players out there. To save myself the hassle I just don't team with them.
On behalf of Gravity controllers everywhere, I would like to take this moment to thank you for your consideration. Teams are much better without this kind of attitude on them.


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Originally Posted by slaunyeh View Post
on behalf of gravity controllers everywhere, i would like to take this moment to thank you for your consideration. Teams are much better without this kind of attitude on them.
lol :d


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Gravity still needs more but I actually took this power. I only use it to save my own @$$. For example...there's a team wipe and I see the mob turn the corner and then run in my direction I lay down DS and run like the wind.

Another example is if we are all being ported by a toon who's rezzing us after a wipe I will throw down DS in front of us just in case a boss follows us back.

It's still situational though.