Paragon Market prices should be lower
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ClawsandEffect,
Posted on: 2012-04-08 16:15 in Suggestions and Ideas
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I am not really sure you re-read your post from the start making sure to check for logical cohesion.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
You should lower the prices of stuff like Alignment change, respec, and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember by alot. I mean there's much more chance of people buying convenience items at a whim if it didn't cost something like $10 for an alignment change.
If the change cost like 200 pts I would have bought them, since I don't want to do 2 days of tips and 2 more to get back to my origin. Changing sides it in game is really not that much work maybe 1hr a day tops, I'm just lazy. But not worth giving out $10 for. Just saiyan, if you want to make money don't charge complete ludicrous prices for convenience items that you can easily get in game, and people might start buying them. |
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what do you need me to explain?
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
I am not really sure you re-read your post from the start making sure to check for logical cohesion.
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NVM just ignore it.
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You seem to be under the erroneous assumption that some items on the market are being sold purely for profit as opposed to the truth that they are only there as an alternative option for players that don't want to use the free in game methods of aquiring them. And as such have been priced high enough to discourage all but the most determined players from buying them frequently.|
Originally Posted by Dz131
You should lower the prices of stuff like Alignment change, respec, and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember by alot. I mean there's much more chance of people buying convenience items at a whim if it didn't cost something like $10 for an alignment change.
If the change cost like 200 pts I would have bought them, since I don't want to do 2 days of tips and 2 more to get back to my origin. Changing sides it in game is really not that much work maybe 1hr a day tops, I'm just lazy. But not worth giving out $10 for. Just saiyan, if you want to make money don't charge complete ludicrous prices for convenience items that you can easily get in game, and people might start buying them. |
If you aren't buying the alignment changes, respecs, and other high priced items, then the devs pricing is WORKING AS INTENDED. It may come as a shock but not everything the devs do is motivated around making a quick buck.
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That's just ludicrous. First of all the entire idea of purposely trying to not sell them is just..crazy talk, I mean then why put them up in the first place? Second, How many vanity dog re-skins have they put out now? And you're saying they're not out to make money.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You seem to be under the erroneous assumption that some items on the market are being sold purely for profit as opposed to the truth that they are only there as an alternative option for players that don't want to use the free in game methods of aquiring them. And as such have been priced high enough to discourage all but the most determined players from buying them frequently.
If you aren't buying the alignment changes, respecs, and other high priced items, then the devs pricing is WORKING AS INTENDED. It may come as a shock but not everything the devs do is motivated around making a quick buck. |
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I never said they weren't trying to make money. What I actually said is that not all of their pricing decisions are motivated by the desire to make a quick buck.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
That's just ludicrous. First of all the entire idea of purposely trying to not sell them is just..crazy talk, I mean then why put them up in the first place? Second, How many vanity dog re-skins have they put out now? And you're saying they're not out to make money.
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Did it ever occur to you that people -are- buying these things even at these so-called ludicrous prices? Why would Paragon Studios willingly want to charge less for these things when plenty of people are paying the current prices? Or conversely: Do you think that if no one was buying these "high-priced" items right now that they wouldn't have already slashed their prices?|
Originally Posted by Dz131
You should lower the prices of stuff like Alignment change, respec, and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember by alot. I mean there's much more chance of people buying convenience items at a whim if it didn't cost something like $10 for an alignment change.
If the change cost like 200 pts I would have bought them, since I don't want to do 2 days of tips and 2 more to get back to my origin. Changing sides it in game is really not that much work maybe 1hr a day tops, I'm just lazy. But not worth giving out $10 for. Just saiyan, if you want to make money don't charge complete ludicrous prices for convenience items that you can easily get in game, and people might start buying them. |
Let me use a real world example that might help you understand this situation: There are plenty of people out there who think it's foolish to pay like $5 or more for a cup of coffee yet somehow there are literally thousands of Starbucks coffee shops in business around the world. Apparently there are in fact plenty of people out there willing to spend a ton of money for that. Same seems to be holding true for this game... *shrugs*
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The prices on some of that stuff are set high to discourage people from buying a lot of them.
Alignment changes aren't supposed to be convenient and quick. They're supposed to be a commitment to becoming the opposite alignment. Frankly, I'm surprised they put that in the Market in the first place, but I'm not surprised in the slightest that it's expensive.
You want to go redside with your blaster to get Scorpion Shield? You have a couple options: 1) Spend a few days changing your alignment in order to run the necessary arc, or 2) spend $20 to go there and back pretty much instantly.
Forbin has it right. They offered that item for convenience, but they don't want it to be so cheap that people start buying them and ignoring the side-switching mechanic they spent a lot of the last couple years designing and adding stuff to.
Makes perfect sense to me.
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It's obvious that some of the prices for some of the items (like alignment tokens) are artificially high because they are serving as a soft control to keep people from from over-using them. At least that's obvious to some people at any rate.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
The prices on some of that stuff are set high to discourage people from buying a lot of them.
Alignment changes aren't supposed to be convenient and quick. They're supposed to be a commitment to becoming the opposite alignment. Frankly, I'm surprised they put that in the Market in the first place, but I'm not surprised in the slightest that it's expensive. You want to go redside with your blaster to get Scorpion Shield? You have a couple options: 1) Spend a few days changing your alignment in order to run the necessary arc, or 2) spend $20 to go there and back pretty much instantly. Forbin has it right. They offered that item for convenience, but they don't want it to be so cheap that people start buying them and ignoring the side-switching mechanic they spent a lot of the last couple years designing and adding stuff to. Makes perfect sense to me. |
I was just attempting (in my last post) to explain why other things (like the vanity pets) are priced the way they are. Many of those prices are driven by simple economics.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
You should lower the prices of stuff like Alignment change, respec, and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember by alot. I mean there's much more chance of people buying convenience items at a whim if it didn't cost something like $10 for an alignment change.
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a high price says they don't want that item to be a casual decision, but something to be carefully considered and rationed.
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The fact that the price is $10 says (to me at least) that the devs don't WANT people changing alignment at a whim.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
I mean there's much more chance of people buying convenience items at a whim if it didn't cost something like $10 for an alignment change.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
According to Ghost Falcon, the Alignment change token isn't aimed at VIP players, but at Premium players, so they can take one of their limited number of characters to the other side without buying the whole side-switching system. VIPs aren't considered in the pricing because they have access to the free in-game system.
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Thx man you really added a lot to the discussion as usual.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
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Everyone that bought/buys the Going Rogue Edition has access to the side-switching system even if their Premium accounts, and sealed unopened copies of the Going Rogue Edition are being sold on Amazon for as low as $2.35.
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Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
According to Ghost Falcon, the Alignment change token isn't aimed at VIP players, but at Premium players, so they can take one of their limited number of characters to the other side without buying the whole side-switching system. VIPs aren't considered in the pricing because they have access to the free in-game system.
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The OP acknowledges that he's lazy and wants alignment changes, respecs, and other significant changes to a character rendered trivial.
That's a "no" from me.
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Even more weirdly to my mind, even buying permanent access to side-switching on the Market instead only costs 1200PP, compared to 800PP to switch one character once. Which means that unless you're 100% sure you'll only want to side-switch one character, ever, it makes no sense to buy the token.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Everyone that bought/buys the Going Rogue Edition has access to the side-switching system even if their Premium accounts, and sealed unopened copies of the Going Rogue Edition are being sold on Amazon for as low as $2.35.
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The only thing the tokens really make sense for is convenience, and the convenience applies equally to VIP and Premium, but apparently VIP isn't the intended market. It's all very surreal.
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I was interested in the alignment change tokens; I don't enjoy running villain tips but do have a badger who occasionally needs to switch sides to get the latest batch of redside badges. If the tokens were cheaper, I would gladly buy them, use them to switch to villain, get what I want done, and work my way back through rogue and hero tips.|
Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
Even more weirdly to my mind, even buying permanent access to side-switching on the Market instead only costs 1200PP, compared to 800PP to switch one character once. Which means that unless you're 100% sure you'll only want to side-switch one character, ever, it makes no sense to buy the token.
The only thing the tokens really make sense for is convenience, and the convenience applies equally to VIP and Premium, but apparently VIP isn't the intended market. It's all very surreal. |
But 800 points each... yeesh.
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And that just proves the pricing is working as intended.
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Originally Posted by Placta
I was interested in the alignment change tokens; I don't enjoy running villain tips but do have a badger who occasionally needs to switch sides to get the latest batch of redside badges. If the tokens were cheaper, I would gladly buy them, use them to switch to villain, get what I want done, and work my way back through rogue and hero tips.
But 800 points each... yeesh. |
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I think it's a balancing act. Giving the players options they didn't have before but pricing them just high enough to keep them from being "pay to win" purchases.
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Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
Even more weirdly to my mind, even buying permanent access to side-switching on the Market instead only costs 1200PP, compared to 800PP to switch one character once. Which means that unless you're 100% sure you'll only want to side-switch one character, ever, it makes no sense to buy the token.
The only thing the tokens really make sense for is convenience, and the convenience applies equally to VIP and Premium, but apparently VIP isn't the intended market. It's all very surreal. |
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At some point in my CoH career a lot of things they thought we had to "earn" became more trouble than they were worth. I can't remember the last time I bothered to run a cape or aura mission. I wouldn't run the in-game respec trial if you paid me. I took one character through the alignment switch, and while I don't regret the time I spent I won't be doing it again.|
Originally Posted by Megajoule
The OP acknowledges that he's lazy and wants alignment changes, respecs, and other significant changes to a character rendered trivial.
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Things that used to be fresh and interesting get tedious in an MMO. Gating achievement behind tedium isn't a winning formula.
I guess ideally they'd re-work all those annoying missions every so often, but that's not practical. I'd much prefer them giving us another way around to making us bang away at the same old thing.
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You should lower the prices of stuff like Alignment change, respec, and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember by alot. I mean there's much more chance of people buying convenience items at a whim if it didn't cost something like $10 for an alignment change.
If the change cost like 200 pts I would have bought them, since I don't want to do 2 days of tips and 2 more to get back to my origin. Changing sides it in game is really not that much work maybe 1hr a day tops, I'm just lazy. But not worth giving out $10 for.
Just saiyan, if you want to make money don't charge complete ludicrous prices for convenience items that you can easily get in game, and people might start buying them.