Completing a DA arc when you aren't lvl 50
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Posted on: 2012-04-08 13:14 in Player Questions
No, it won't stop you from getting a component drop when you run it at level 50.
EDT: To clarify more, there are no first-time completion bonuses for DA.
EDIT Part Deux: I stand corrected. Even though my experience didn't match other posters experiences, I will admit that I was wrong.
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Actually, there is. The thing is the reset is (I think) once per 20 hours instead of once every 7 days. So it really doesn't matter if you do the mission pre-50 unless you get to 50 less than 20 real hours after you do the arc.|
Originally Posted by Texas Justice
To clarify more, there are no first-time completion bonuses for DA.
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There is still no first-time completion bonus for running those arcs. The rewards are the same every time you run the arc (as long as it has passed the 20 hour timer), whether in-zone" in the first run through the contacts arc or through Ouro.
The SSA's do have a first-time completion bonus. From ParagonWiki:
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Each separate reward can be chosen once every 162 hours (6 days, 18 hours[1]), regardless of which episode is being played – all episodes use the same reward timer per reward choice, meaning four reward timers. (It's not exactly seven days to make it easier to obtain the same reward at the same time every week.) However, each episode also grants one reward choice for free the first time it is ever played, which is outside the reward timer. Please note that the freebie choice is once ever, not once per reward type |
EDIT: I stand corrected. Even though my experience didn't match other posters experiences, I will admit that I was wrong.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
There is definitely a first-time bonus. I know this because I chose the same thing from several reward tables in a row when I did several arcs in one day last weekend. I'm about to take a character that hasn't started DA yet through Heather Townshend's arc for the first time, I'll see if the reward window has different text like the SSA windows do.
The first-time bonus on the SSA allows you to choose any reward the first time you run an arc and then you can run that same arc again and get the same reward window without having to wait for the timer to run out.
The DA arcs do not have such a mechanic. Once you run the arc and choose a reward, you must wait until the timer runs out to be able to get all of the reward choices again. You can run it again and choose a different reward, but you can't run it back to back and get all of the reward options as you can with the first-time bonus on the SSA arcs.
EDIT: I stand corrected. Even though my experience didn't match other posters experiences, I will admit that I was wrong.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
I have done exactly that, Tex. I ran an arc, chose a component, ran a different arc (for the first time, not through ouro) and chose another component, in the same morning. If the patch notes imply otherwise, the patch notes are worded incorrectly.
I just finished Heather's arc, and the text on the reward window doesn't appear to be different, but I grabbed a screenshot. I'll Ouro it rq, and grab another screenshot, gimme a few minutes.
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The DA arcs have an extra choice mechanic. I ran Heather's arc for a component roll, then I Ouro'd Heather's arc for a component roll, either day of i22 or the day after (I forget). (I was documenting for the wiki and had missed some stuff, so went through it again to clean up.)
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
The first-time bonus on the SSA allows you to choose any reward the first time you run an arc and then you can run that same arc again and get the same reward window without having to wait for the timer to run out.
The DA arcs do not have such a mechanic. Once you run the arc and choose a reward, you must wait until the timer runs out to be able to get all of the reward choices again. You can run it again and choose a different reward, but you can't run it back to back and get all of the reward options as you can with the first-time bonus on the SSA arcs. |
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
I have done exactly that, Tex. I ran an arc, chose a component, ran a different arc (for the first time, not through ouro) and chose another component, in the same morning. If the patch notes imply otherwise, the patch notes are worded incorrectly.
I just finished Heather's arc, and the text on the reward window doesn't appear to be different, but I grabbed a screenshot. I'll Ouro it rq, and grab another screenshot, gimme a few minutes. |
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The DA arcs have an extra choice mechanic. I ran Heather's arc for a component roll, then I Ouro'd Heather's arc for a component roll, either day of i22 or the day after (I forget). (I was documenting for the wiki and had missed some stuff, so went through it again to clean up.)
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As some are fond of saying around here:
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Edit: As to the OP's question, it shouldn't affect you since it wasn't your mission and you weren't qualified to get Incarnate rewards.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
In case anyone is still wondering, and since I've got the screenshots now anyway, here they are. These aren't as conclusive as I'd like, since I can't technically prove that they were both taken today, or that I actually selected the components on the first run, but they're better than no evidence at all. Anyway:
First run:
Second run, you can see the Ouro icon and that I'm in strike force mode:
Note that the text on the windows actually is slightly different: "You have completed" vs "You have repeated completion".
I'll concur: by explicitly stated design by a redname and by experience, the DA arcs give the 'first bite at the apple' reward that doesn't count for cool downs.
Just take a new toon through all the arcs and you'll get the full reward menu for each arc. If there wasn't this extra reward, the very next arc would have a choice greyed out since the DA arcs are all on the same reward table.
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I stand corrected. Even though my experience didn't match other posters experiences, I will admit that I was wrong.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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So it sounds like the OP would of lost the chance of getting the bonus (first time) reward for the arc.| Did I just miss out on my chance for an incarnate component for first completing that arc when I do it myself at lvl 50 later? If so, not a big deal, but I clearly need to make sure that I don't do that again in the future |
That's a shame. I can see others not joining the DA any level teams to avoid doing the same thing - much like people wait till 20 & alignment verified before doing the level 10 SSA.
I'll have to bump the dif more so the lowbies get something decent out of joining
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That remains to be seen when he runs the controller through DA himself.
For reference; I ran a level 49 with one of my 50+3 characters doing all the arcs (over a couple of days). By the end the she was level 50. After doing the unlock we then did the 1st arc (using her character), both of us where locked out of the rewards due to (I assume) been under a week since last reward from Heather.
Offcourse it could had also been because it was less than 20 hours since the reward from the last arc (I can't remember), but been a different arc I didn't think that mattered. I didn't expect to get a chance of rolling, but did expect her to. Not a major issue either way.
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All DA arcs share a reward table, and each option on that table has a 20 hour cooldown for picking it. However, the first time you run one, you get a "freebie" for that arc and it doesn't count toward the cooldown. At least that's how it seemed to work when I was duoing it and completing some of them twice.
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Originally Posted by Badaxe
Offcourse it could had also been because it was less than 20 hours since the reward from the last arc (I can't remember), but been a different arc I didn't think that mattered. I didn't expect to get a chance of rolling, but did expect her to. Not a major issue either way.
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I had wondered about sub-50s and if they'd be offered a reward table.
I think it'd be better that only 50s with unlocked Alpha (ie the ability to choose Incarnate components) should be presented with the table and non-qualifiers just get reward merits without burning their free table.
So to summarize, the only thing that completing a DA arc pre-50 prevents is the ability to later run it twice in one day for 2 components.
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It might also screw up running the arcs back to back at 50. All of the arcs share a reward table cooldown.|
Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel
So to summarize, the only thing that completing a DA arc pre-50 prevents is the ability to later run it twice in one day for 2 components.
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Normal first run:
Heather Townshend (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown)
Mu'Vorkan (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown)
Praetor Duncan (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown)
etc.
However if you're already done them sub-50:
Heater Townshend (full table, starts cooldown timer)
Mu'Vorkan (oops! component choice is on cooldown because you got the table less than 20 hours ago)
Praetor Duncan (now both component and merit are on cooldown...)
I haven't actually had a chance to verify that yet, but current evidence suggests that's what would happen. You'd have to wait a day between each arc to be able to qualify for the component each time.
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Your guess is correct. I've done it, and running the arcs pre-50 eats up all your "first run" bonuses. If you then run your own arcs at 50, you get cooldowns on every arc. So if you're planning on trying to run all the arcs in one go later on, then it's a good idea to *not* run along on anyone else's arcs. Character level doesn't affect the cooldown mechanics, it just locks you out of Incarnate rewards.
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Originally Posted by Codewalker
It might also screw up running the arcs back to back at 50. All of the arcs share a reward table cooldown.
Normal first run: Heather Townshend (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown) Mu'Vorkan (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown) Praetor Duncan (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown) etc. However if you're already done them sub-50: Heater Townshend (full table, starts cooldown timer) Mu'Vorkan (oops! component choice is on cooldown because you got the table less than 20 hours ago) Praetor Duncan (now both component and merit are on cooldown...) I haven't actually had a chance to verify that yet, but current evidence suggests that's what would happen. You'd have to wait a day between each arc to be able to qualify for the component each time. |
Complicated stuff. Thanks for the info!
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Yes, that fits in with what happen to me. The only different been that I also didn't get a full table option with Heather (because I done the last arc within 20 hours prior to hitting 50).|
Originally Posted by Codewalker
It might also screw up running the arcs back to back at 50. All of the arcs share a reward table cooldown.
Normal first run: Heather Townshend (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown) Mu'Vorkan (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown) Praetor Duncan (uses first run bonus, doesn't start cooldown) etc. However if you're already done them sub-50: Heater Townshend (full table, starts cooldown timer) Mu'Vorkan (oops! component choice is on cooldown because you got the table less than 20 hours ago) Praetor Duncan (now both component and merit are on cooldown...) I haven't actually had a chance to verify that yet, but current evidence suggests that's what would happen. You'd have to wait a day between each arc to be able to qualify for the component each time. |
EDIT: I just realised, she should had got a roll on the Component table with Heather (because it wasn't an option with her not been 50 before with the previous runs). Not sure why not in this case, maybe it was just a once off bug as it didn't happen to Codewalker. Anyway, not a issue worth worrying about now.
So, just worked on a DA arc with my spouse with a lvl 41 controller. Her arc, of course.
The arc completed, and I, to my surprise, had a reward table pop up. Naturally not being lvl 50, I had the choice of the regular merits or super inspiration. Then it hit me.
Did I just miss out on my chance for an incarnate component for first completing that arc when I do it myself at lvl 50 later? If so, not a big deal, but I clearly need to make sure that I don't do that again in the future.