Another Avengers TV spot this time we get a closer look at Loki's army


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All these sites are coming out with articles speculating and asking the fans who they think the army is. I think it's become pretty obvious that it's the Annihilation Wave, what with the chitin style of the army and ships and Loki sporting the Cosmic Control Rod in that staff he's carrying around now.


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*does the can't wait dance* >_> -_- <_< ^_^


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Also, is it possible Cap will adopt scalemail and physical wings on his helmet after wielding Mjolnir? Hmm...


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Why is Thor a "demi-god"? Is it the usual we-can't-call-him-a-real-deity-without-offending-people excuse?


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Stark's comment about Loki pissing off the rest of the Avengers seems to at least moderately align with my earlier theory of Fury trying to assemble the Avengers, and Loki trying to dissuade them, and it seems it could ironically be Loki that ultimately brings them together just by virtue of being annoying.


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Stark's comment about Loki pissing off the rest of the Avengers seems to at least moderately align with my earlier theory of Fury trying to assemble the Avengers, and Loki trying to dissuade them, and it seems it could ironically be Loki that ultimately brings them together just by virtue of being annoying.

Yep, I thought so as well...still can't wait


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Well I mean, I have to wait but.....


And I thought Thor was a "demi-god" because he wasn't a 'god' like Odin was....*shrugs*


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OK, so are those Kree? Whedon has repeatedly said that they aren't Skrulls, so could they be Kree?


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OK, so are those Kree? Whedon has repeatedly said that they aren't Skrulls, so could they be Kree?
I believe Whedon has said it's not the Skrulls or the Kree, and it's a threat we've seen in the comics before so it's not something new for the movie.

Some have theorized it's the Korbinites (Beta Ray Bill's people), the Sons of Muspell (who attacked Earth during the Surtur Saga of Simonson's Thor run), and the Badoon.

I'm going with the Annihilation Wave from the Negative Zone because:
  1. The Negative Zone is one of the obvious places Loki could've ended up after falling off the Bifrost Bridge.
  2. The chitin style of the army and their ships is in line with the Annihilation Wave.
  3. In all of the trailers, Loki is carrying around a staff with a big pill-looking device as a power source, which resembles the Cosmic Control Rod (save for being blue instead of yellow), the weapon of Annihilus, ruler of the Neagtive Zone.
  4. It can't be the Korbinites because they're a peaceful race and the only one that resembles how the army appears in the trailer is Beta Ray Bill, and that's after extensive modifications made to his physiology when his people made him in their protector. Plus, Beta Ray Bill has the notable ability to lift Mjolnir, which is a moment they'd be saving for Cap.
  5. It's not the Sons of Muspell because they attacked the Earth during the Surtur Saga, one of the most significant arcs of Thor's own series, so this is something undoubtedly reserved for Thor's film franchise.

Because the Cosmic Control Rod is blue instead of yellow, I'd also thought perhaps it might be the Mind Gem, which would tie into the rumored Thanos cameo. This would also explain how he gains the allegiance of an army so quickly. However, if it were the Mind Gem, Loki would simply be able to take control over the Avengers and the populace of Earth as opposed to attacking them.

If Thanos is involved, perhaps he helps Loki usurp Annihilus and, while Loki is busy getting revenge on his brother by attacking Midgard, Thanos can take the Cosmic Cube while everyone is fighting off the invasion.


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If Thanos is involved, perhaps he helps Loki usurp Annihilus and, while Loki is busy getting revenge on his brother by attacking Midgard, Thanos can take the Cosmic Cube while everyone is fighting off the invasion.
Because Whedon is involved, I'm going to assume that any villain other than Loki that isn't a minion is going to be a teaser for Avengers 2. So yeah, if Thanos is in here anywhere its likely to be as someone doing something in the background that eventually leads in to the next Avengers story.


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Why is Thor a "demi-god"? Is it the usual we-can't-call-him-a-real-deity-without-offending-people excuse?
It's because he wasn't portrayed as an actual god in the Thor movie, the Asgardians were just aliens in command of powerful indistinguishable-from-magic technology (which has mostly been the case in Marvel lore anyway, depending on who's writing it).


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Why is Thor a "demi-god"? Is it the usual we-can't-call-him-a-real-deity-without-offending-people excuse?
Because Tony Stark is never wrong.


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It's because he wasn't portrayed as an actual god in the Thor movie, the Asgardians were just aliens in command of powerful indistinguishable-from-magic technology (which has mostly been the case in Marvel lore anyway, depending on who's writing it).
Also, in Marvel continuity, Odin is half giant. Thor is only quarter-giant and his birth mother was an elder goddess, so demi-god by the standard definition may not be accurate, but he's still not pure-blooded.

Of course I have no idea how much of that was taken into account for the movies.


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Because Tony Stark is never wrong.
Retracting my answer and echoing Arcanaville's.

Why? Because Arcanaville is never wrong.


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All these sites are coming out with articles speculating and asking the fans who they think the army is. I think it's become pretty obvious that it's the Annihilation Wave, what with the chitin style of the army and ships and Loki sporting the Cosmic Control Rod in that staff he's carrying around now.
hmmmm...the pics I have seen on the web of the Loki action figure from the movie have the Cosmic Cube in his staff...and now that I think of it they had that same figure on display at NYCC last fall, and it was the cube as well...off to find a pic.


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hmmmm...the pics I have seen on the web of the Loki action figure from the movie have the Cosmic Cube in his staff...and now that I think of it they had that same figure on display at NYCC last fall, and it was the cube as well...off to find a pic.
You mean all these?







It sure does look like the Cosmic Cube there, but in all of the trailers it looks more like an oval shape than a cube, so the toys could be misleading. After all, there were Titanium Man figures made for the Iron Man 2 line and he wasn't in the movie.


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It sure does look like the Cosmic Cube there, but in all of the trailers it looks more like an oval shape than a cube, so the toys could be misleading.
I could be wrong, but I thought that somewhere in comics history someone had commanded a Cosmic Cube to change its shape.


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I could be wrong, but I thought that somewhere in comics history someone had commanded a Cosmic Cube to change its shape.
Cosmic Cubes could even become sentient, but, as with the Mind Gem, having this as his power source would eliminate the need for Loki to take Earth by force or even tolerate opposition.


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I believe Whedon has said it's not the Skrulls or the Kree, and it's a threat we've seen in the comics before so it's not something new for the movie.

Some have theorized it's the Korbinites (Beta Ray Bill's people), the Sons of Muspell (who attacked Earth during the Surtur Saga of Simonson's Thor run), and the Badoon.

I'm going with the Annihilation Wave from the Negative Zone because:
  1. The Negative Zone is one of the obvious places Loki could've ended up after falling off the Bifrost Bridge.
  2. The chitin style of the army and their ships is in line with the Annihilation Wave.
  3. In all of the trailers, Loki is carrying around a staff with a big pill-looking device as a power source, which resembles the Cosmic Control Rod (save for being blue instead of yellow), the weapon of Annihilus, ruler of the Neagtive Zone.
  4. It can't be the Korbinites because they're a peaceful race and the only one that resembles how the army appears in the trailer is Beta Ray Bill, and that's after extensive modifications made to his physiology when his people made him in their protector. Plus, Beta Ray Bill has the notable ability to lift Mjolnir, which is a moment they'd be saving for Cap.
  5. It's not the Sons of Muspell because they attacked the Earth during the Surtur Saga, one of the most significant arcs of Thor's own series, so this is something undoubtedly reserved for Thor's film franchise.

Because the Cosmic Control Rod is blue instead of yellow, I'd also thought perhaps it might be the Mind Gem, which would tie into the rumored Thanos cameo. This would also explain how he gains the allegiance of an army so quickly. However, if it were the Mind Gem, Loki would simply be able to take control over the Avengers and the populace of Earth as opposed to attacking them.

If Thanos is involved, perhaps he helps Loki usurp Annihilus and, while Loki is busy getting revenge on his brother by attacking Midgard, Thanos can take the Cosmic Cube while everyone is fighting off the invasion.
It could be the Annihilation wave, but what Loki is wielding appears to be a staff with the Tesseract/Cosmic Cube attached to it.


 

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Because Whedon is involved, I'm going to assume that any villain other than Loki that isn't a minion is going to be a teaser for Avengers 2. So yeah, if Thanos is in here anywhere its likely to be as someone doing something in the background that eventually leads in to the next Avengers story.
Actually I expect there to be a bonus scene after the credits of the Avengers movie that will give us all a nice big hint as to who the next villain would be......and I expect that is where we would see THANOS. There is no way that Thanos would play lackey to Loki as Thanos would sooner destroy him.

Also if THANOS does appear as the villain for the sequel that opens the door for certain cosmic heavyweights such as: Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer and...Captain Mar-Vell


 

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Cosmic Cubes could even become sentient, but, as with the Mind Gem, having this as his power source would eliminate the need for Loki to take Earth by force or even tolerate opposition.
The Mind Gem and the rest of the Infinity Gems have not been mentioned at all in the Marvel movies. Yes we get a glimpse of the Infinity Gauntlet in Asgard's weapons vault, but since the bonus scene after the THOR credits show the scientist being shown the tesseract and then we see Loki starting to twist the guy's mind, then it should be the tesseract that Loki has in Avengers.


 

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Also if THANOS does appear as the villain for the sequel that opens the door for certain cosmic heavyweights such as: Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer and...Captain Mar-Vell
I would pay well to see that, if done right, but my standards would be high.


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I would pay well to see that, if done right, but my standards would be high.
Indeed. Not many writers "get" the character of Adam Warlock and the result has been some rather poor tales back in the 90's. His current status in the comics was that he became the Magus and was subsequently killed in Thanos Imperative, but was briefly restored in the latest Annihilators miniseries. Last I checked he's trapped in a cocoon, locked inside a Kree Sentry and set adrift near the end of the universe or some such. Wouldn't be surprised if when the cocoon hatches we get Warlock back.

Drax: his sole purpose is "KILL THANOS" and he was pretty single minded about that in his first incarnation and when he was brought back in the 90's as "Cosmic Hulk Drax" with his brain damaged he swiftly became comic relief. Years later his brain was healed and he became a more viable character until he was killed off in Thanos Imperative. But he's been dead before and brought back by Kronos so once Thanos returns in the comics I expect Drax to be back. Here's hoping they keep him intelligent and a viable character.

Mar-Vell: Similar to Adam Warlock in that not many writers "get" how to write him since Starlin gave him cosmic awareness and turned him into the Protector of the Universe. That was one reason why they decided to replace him and Starlin wanted to get his new Dreadstar series printed in Marvel's new Epic line of comics, hence Starlin returned to write the Death of Captain Marvel. Now he's slated to return in Avengers vs Xmen thanks to the power of the Phoenix, but given that Carol Danvers will star in the new Captain Marvel series, I sense that Marvel Comics is going to chicken out about Mar-Vell and he will end up dead again. If he shows up in an Avengers movie, I hope that he's in his classic red and black costume and has the nega bands, but not linked to Rick Jones as that may be a bit much. Have his hair be white like it originally was then in the course of the movie he can meet Eon and be changed into the Protector of the Universe. Basically I think if they write him as the Protector of the Universe for a movie or the comics, they should basically think of him as Captain America combined with the knowledge and serenity of a Jedi.

Still, hope to see them in a future movie. Maybe even Richard Ryder as Nova Prime.