Blasters suck, the movie.

Dz131 · 03-30-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Abyssus

Anything can do anything with X amount of inf dumped into the build, well for the most part. Doesnt really say anything about the AT at all.

Except no other blaster combo can solo GMs with out drain psyche even with unlimited budget. Lets all wait and see how many more "blaster" solo feats show up in here that's not /mental and remotely difficult.

Hopeling · 03-30-2012 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

I actually had quite a few people say they doubted the credibility of what I said my Blaster can do in that thread though. People keep calling for a ground up rework of the archetype, and it's not necessary. Case and point. All that needs to happen is other secondaries need to be buffed to be as good as /Mental.

...and buffing every secondary except one to give them capabilities like Mental has (capabilities which, it should be noted, are not just weaker in other secondaries, but completely absent) doesn't sound like a ground-up rework to you?

*shrug* OK then.

Edit: Plus, you have yet to demonstrate that even /Mental itself is not subject to the various blaster problems outside of high-end builds. Which, again, tells me you've quite missed the point of what anyone has said.

Dz131 · 03-30-2012 05:56 PM

Also: You're not soloing GMs because you're "the king of damage". You're doing it because of the -regen on drain psyche. Which is not damage.

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosstone

Yes, it is. Set and match. You say this like it's the easiest thing in the world.

Let's see:

Buff Darkness Manip
Buff Devices
Buff Electricity Manip
Buff Energy Manip
Buff Fire Manip
Buff Ice Manip
Buff X primary powersets (optional)

versus

Buff Blasters
Nerf Mental Manip (so that it's the same as the other secondaries)

Yeah, no.

There's no justification for nerfing something that's performing totally fine though. Basically you're saying "Oh TwoHeadedBoy my Blaster can't do what your Blaster can do! Your blaster needs to be nerfed, even though he's already fine, so that MY blaster can get better!" Like I care how your Blaster is doing. It's not my problem. I used common sense and picked a good secondary when I made my Blaster. Sorry you have poor decision making skills, but don't take it out on me. If I were a Dev and I made sets that were under performing I would just fix them, I wouldn't take it out on a set that works great. All controllers didn't get buffed, gravity got buffed. Same should happen with gimpy Blaster secondaries.

slythetic · 03-30-2012 05:58 PM

I haven't played mental on a blaster only on my dominator so I have to ask. Are the non drain psyche powers useful for a blaster or any good? It just feels like your secondary is one power called drain psyche. If so I'm not sure I'd claim mental is in a good spot either, it just has one nerf worthy power.

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dz131

Also: You're not soloing GMs because you're "the king of damage". You're doing it because of the -regen on drain psyche. Which is not damage.

I'm using the tools available to me to achieve something. Go do it on your melee character using the tools available to you. I bet you can't.

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by slythetic

I haven't played mental on a blaster only on my dominator so I have to ask. Are the non drain psyche powers useful for a blaster or any good? It just feels like your secondary is one power called drain psyche. If so I'm not sure I'd claim mental is in a good spot either, it just has one nerf worthy power.

Yeah, World of Confusion takes a -Res proc. Psychic Shockwave is good AOE. Mind Probe is a good single target attack. Concentration is a no brainer.

Mad Grim · 03-30-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

Except it's not overpowered. It puts my Blaster exactly where he's supposed to be in terms of "King of damage" and "survivability" balance. He out-damages melee AT's both single target-wise and AOE wise, while not being quite as survivable as they can get, but close enough that it's balanced. This is the standard that all Blasters should be able to perform at... the old secondaries just suck, and they need to be buffed to compete with Mental.

No it doesn't.

Uh, obviously. Why would anyone want to nerf my Blaster? He's performing exactly where he should be performing. And I don't care what else you play, nothing else has the AOE AND ST potential of my Blaster. lolmastermind, I bet I would be faster if I summoned a crapload of pets and relied on AI for my damage output too.

An AT shouldn't have to dump billions of inf into their build just to be working at where they should have been in the first place.

Alright, assuming that is remotely true- Nothing has the AOE and ST of YOUR blaster. YOURS, and only YOURS. The ENTIRE AT should be top of the chart in AoE, and second only the Stalkers in ST.

However it is inherently false too- My MM can do this in less than 22 minutes for instance. So therefore your ST DPS does not outdo his ST DPS.

So your multi-billion Blaster build is not as good as my 500 million MM build IN DAMAGE.

Yea, no, this should not be the case. At all.

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Grim

An AT shouldn't have to dump billions of inf into their build just to be working at where they should have been in the first place.

Alright, assuming that is remotely true- Nothing has the AOE and ST of YOUR blaster. YOURS, and only YOURS. The ENTIRE AT should be top of the chart in AoE, and second only the Stalkers in ST.

So buff the other powersets.

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However it is inherently false too- My MM can do this in less than 22 minutes for instance. So therefore your ST DPS does not outdo his ST DPS.

That's like simulating sports games and then feeling like you accomplished something when you win. If the AI does all the work for you it's not an accomplishment.

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dz131

next thread plz

Didn't I already tell you to get out? If you don't like my thread don't post here.

Dz131 · 03-30-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

Didn't I already tell you to get out? If you don't like my thread don't post here.

Nice rebuttal. You sure told me

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

That's like simulating sports games and then feeling like you accomplished something when you win. If the AI does all the work for you it's not an accomplishment.

edit: I don't even know if you're trolling

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dz131

Nice rebuttal. You sure told me

Well your last post was just full of so much insight and substance. I didn't want to type too many words and confuse you.

PsychicKitty · 03-30-2012 06:04 PM

I too can solo monsters with a couple of my blasters...can do it with my fire/fire/fire and my psy/psy/weapons ones

Dont want to comment on my dark/dark or my dual pistol ones...their powers are not that great.

But interesting choice to use archery...i never thought archery would be that good...i mean it does have a crashless nuke which takes no energy to use....but still...over all its not the best set.

Thanks for the nice videos

Mad Grim · 03-30-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

There's no justification for nerfing something that's performing totally fine though. Basically you're saying "Oh TwoHeadedBoy my Blaster can't do what your Blaster can do! Your blaster needs to be nerfed, even though he's already fine, so that MY blaster can get better!" Like I care how your Blaster is doing. It's not my problem. I used common sense and picked a good secondary when I made my Blaster. Sorry you have poor decision making skills, but don't take it out on me. If I were a Dev and I made sets that were under performing I would just fix them, I wouldn't take it out on a set that works great. All controllers didn't get buffed, gravity got buffed. Same should happen with gimpy Blaster secondaries.

My god, you should not be this dense. It doesn't matter if one combination is completely, game-breakingly overpowered (and it isn't even close), you should be able to choose any combination and be in a reasonable range of all other combinations. ANYTHING with Drain Psyche would have done what that blaster just did, and better. I could pick up a Dom, give it Mental Assault, level to 50, and then with less than a tenth the inf you pumped into your blaster do this, and do it better.

Drain Psyche must be nerfed, it is pure and simple, not to mention utterly obvious to anyone that doesn't want to save their favorite build.

Buffing a single controller set is not like buffing every blaster secondary except one. At all.

Arcanaville · 03-30-2012 06:05 PM

I actually asked for this video, so I concede it was accomplished successfully. I'm going to take a closer look at it later this weekend, but at a glance it looks like it took about 22 minutes. That suggests, assuming floored regeneration for basically all of the fight, a single target damage level of about 55 dps. That seems awfully low even for archery, and even accounting for DP missing once in a while, which implies that's essentially all Drain Psyche.

In any case, offered to demonstrate that its *possible* for a blaster to achieve this level of performance, it satisfies that objective. But at these levels of build, the question is no longer can blasters exceed what other archetypes can do normally, but rather can blasters get near what other archetypes are also theoretically capable of doing at the same extremes. So the question is, is a 22 minute time on a Quarry good representation for the Blaster archetype in terms of exploring the upper areas of potential, compared to other archetypes?

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TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychicKitty

I too can solo monsters with a couple of my blasters...can do it with my fire/fire/fire and my psy/psy/weapons ones

Dont want to comment on my dark/dark or my dual pistol ones...their powers are not that great.

But interesting choice to use archery...i never thought archery would be that good...i mean it does have a crashless nuke which takes no energy to use....but still...over all its not the best set.

Thanks for the nice videos

Drain Psyche means that I can get by with Archery's ST damage, though it's really not that bad (not as good as fire though.) Since my ST is covered by my secondary (once you can solo GM's there's not much point in stressing over ST damage,) I chose the most powerful AOE set in the game to pair with it.

Dz131 · 03-30-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

Well your last post was just full of so much insight and substance. I didn't want to type too many words and confuse you.

I think you're the one that's confused. Especially when you post:

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

I'm using the tools available to me to achieve something.

and right under it

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

That's like simulating sports games and then feeling like you accomplished something when you win. If the AI does all the work for you it's not an accomplishment.

I don't even need to say anything. You're contradicting your own arguments just fine

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville

I actually asked for this video, so I concede it was accomplished successfully. I'm going to take a closer look at it later this weekend, but at a glance it looks like it took about 22 minutes. That suggests, assuming floored regeneration for basically all of the fight, a single target damage level of about 55 dps. That seems awfully low even for archery, and even accounting for DP missing once in a while, which implies that's essentially all Drain Psyche.

In any case, offered to demonstrate that its *possible* for a blaster to achieve this level of performance, it satisfies that objective. But at these levels of build, the question is no longer can blasters exceed what other archetypes can do normally, but rather can blasters get near what other archetypes are also theoretically capable of doing at the same extremes. So the question is, is a 22 minute time on a Quarry good representation for the Blaster archetype in terms of exploring the upper areas of potential, compared to other archetypes?

Drain Psyche missed twice in a row at one point and he regenerated a crapload of health.

Mad Grim · 03-30-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

So buff the other powersets.

That's like simulating sports games and then feeling like you accomplished something when you win. If the AI does all the work for you it's not an accomplishment.

Lemme get this straight here. No MMs can claim to have done anything due to them using the basic tools that the AT gives them.

Bahahahaaaa

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dz131

I think you're the one that's confused. Especially when you post:

and right under it

I don't even need to say anything. You're contradicting your own arguments just fine

Okay, I get it... So it's ok for people to say my accomplishment isn't impressive because I used Drain Psyche, but when I turn the table and say Mastermind accomplishments are unimpressive because they use pets, people don't like that one bit do they?

Dz131 · 03-30-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

Okay, I get it... So it's ok for people to say my accomplishment isn't impressive because I used Drain Psyche, but when I turn the table and say Mastermind accomplishments are unimpressive because they use pets, people don't like that one bit do they?

No I'm saying Drain Psyche is not damage. So you don't out damage other classes. Nice strawman tho.

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dz131

No I'm saying Drain Psyche is not damage. So you don't out damage other classes. Nice strawman tho.

And you're grasping at straws, looking for any way to discredit something I did because you don't like me.

Dz131 · 03-30-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

And you're grasping at straws, looking for any way to discredit something I did because you don't like me.

Stating facts is not grasping straws, and since you're trying to turn this personal, I'll be going. Enjoy your last word.

Mad Grim · 03-30-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

Okay, I get it... So it's ok for people to say my accomplishment isn't impressive because I used Drain Psyche, but when I turn the table and say Mastermind accomplishments are unimpressive because they use pets, people don't like that one bit do they?

Once again, you are comparing one power in one secondary to AN ENTIRE PRIMARY.

You did not turn the tables, you just made yourself look worse.

TwoHeadedBoy · 03-30-2012 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dz131

Stating facts is not grasping straws, and since you're trying to turn this personal, I'll be going. Enjoy your last word.

Pretty sure you are the one (amongst others) who came into a thread for the sole purpose of putting down an accomplishment of mine and writing me off. Who turned it personal again?