Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 3/20/12
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Posted on: 2012-03-20 09:28 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Can we get some pricing listed with those 25% Off and 50% Off items?
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Or check here for the "sale" portion of the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=3
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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It's cool that they have a rechange intensive pet set in there too..just a shame that many mm combos stil cannot use them...
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Originally Posted by tanstaafl
Clever having all those Pet enhancments out at same time as the beast mstery. And nicely done on having mastermind AT on special.
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I'm kind of ticked that staff wasn't released as well. Even so leaving beast mastery until just after double XP is disappointing.
Beast mastery will be the only one I'm not purchasing, and in fact since i pay to be VIP and still have to pay for powersets I'm almost certain that Bo staff will be my only purchase.
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While I appreciate that you and others have compiled the information and made it available, I'm still going to have to stick with my previous request.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
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Or check here for the "sale" portion of the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=3 |
Mainly for the part of the post that you left out.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
EDIT: Previous Featured Items posts have listed the regular and sale price for items on sale. Can we get a little consistency? |
We have enough inconsistencies in how things are done as it is.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
for next MLK jr day i want a little martin luther king jr following me saying free at last! free at last! and gaining xp boost from him for 800 pts ...
as Ood Sigma said....We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending. But the story never ends.
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Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
for next MLK jr day i want a little martin luther king jr following me saying free at last! free at last! and gaining xp boost from him for 800 pts ...
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Hey if they can stereotype a irish drunk they can sterotype the doctor!
as Ood Sigma said....We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending. But the story never ends.
So again another powerset which I have to pay for. No, 400 points a month doesn't make up for that.
Another thing I won't buy. Go marketing!
The whole RMT thing has be incredibly badly thought through and implemented and it seems to just keep getting worse. I honestly loved CoX but these constant little attempts (in my eyes) to rip me off are getting annoying. If this was the price for F2P it wasn't worth it.
I'm still waiting to find out how to see a list of all the items purchased via points. I had three costume packs 'go missing' on one of my accounts which support had to find and re-apply. Kind of them but a complete waste of their time if it was my memory at fault. It's easier not to buy anything because a costume pack I noticed but what little 'extra' would I not notice? At least with the old costume packs, they were worth it and were trackable from my account page.
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just don't put the same prices for premium and VIP... VIP will feel rewarded instead of ...ked
And it will cost you... nothing.
stop the greed!
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They give us 400pp a month that's the discount. I get on Paragon Studios case about a lot of things but this is not one of them.
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Originally Posted by Congelateur
just don't put the same prices for premium and VIP... VIP will feel rewarded instead of ...ked
And it will cost you... nothing. stop the greed! |
the stipend is not a reward... it s a compensation for the game to be free and our subscription to stay at the same price... it s their genius to make you think it s a reward...
a reward would be to not pay the same price as the ones who don t pay a subscription... i don t ask for "free" as they did works "more" than before... but we don t have to pay the same price than the freebies, it s nonsense.
and again, it would cost them nothing...
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Originally Posted by Congelateur
the stipend is not a reward... it s a compensation for the game to be free and our subscription to stay at the same price... it s their genius to make you think it s a reward...
a reward would be to not pay the same price as the ones who don t pay a subscription... i don t ask for "free" as they did works "more" than before... but we don t have to pay the same price than the freebies, it s nonsense. and again, it would cost them nothing... |
While I was inclined to say what the previous poster said, I actually agree with you on this.
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I wouldn't say that its a discount, the 400pp a month is compensation for paying them months (years) upfront. Its not a marketing strategy is a marketing scheme|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
They give us 400pp a month that's the discount. I get on Paragon Studios case about a lot of things but this is not one of them.
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It would be more reasonable to have VIP paying 400 for these packs. That way they are technically getting $5 for each purchase. 500 purchases at $5 is better than 50 purchases at $10.
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Actually in agreement with Congelateur, also by not lowering the costs for VIP, the marketers are missing a golden opportunity to cash in on convincing freebies and premies to go VIP. If they made it more cost effective to subscribe then people might be more inclined to shell out that $15 a month.|
Originally Posted by Congelateur
the stipend is not a reward... it s a compensation for the game to be free and our subscription to stay at the same price... it s their genius to make you think it s a reward...
a reward would be to not pay the same price as the ones who don t pay a subscription... i don t ask for "free" as they did works "more" than before... but we don t have to pay the same price than the freebies, it s nonsense. and again, it would cost them nothing... |
Ah, remember the good old days when that $15 a month included everything we now have to save up points and pay extra for? Who knew booster packs would lead to this?
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Actually that was or should have been the whole point to F2P, an extended trial version that would allow players to trial the game longer, wanting the content they seen from VIP's and then they would be subscribed members. I do however dislike the route they have went to money milking the people who have been loyal to them for 7+ years, much like myself. We should have lower rates/different pricing than the F2P, 400 points, as stated above is not a discount it should be and is considered by me a "Thank you for staying a subscribed member."|
Originally Posted by Player D
Actually in agreement with Congelateur, also by not lowering the costs for VIP, the marketers are missing a golden opportunity to cash in on convincing freebies and premies to go VIP. If they made it more cost effective to subscribe then people might be more inclined to shell out that $15 a month.
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| Ah, remember the good old days when that $15 a month included everything we now have to save up points and pay extra for? Who knew booster packs would lead to this? |
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You're laboring under the assumption that they WANT more people to go VIP. In reality, they make more money via microtransactions, which mostly come from Premium players. From my perspective as a VIP they are doing everything they can to convince me not to subscribe any longer.|
Originally Posted by Player D
Actually in agreement with Congelateur, also by not lowering the costs for VIP, the marketers are missing a golden opportunity to cash in on convincing freebies and premies to go VIP. If they made it more cost effective to subscribe then people might be more inclined to shell out that $15 a month.
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They don't want subscribers. They just want money. The way that they are pricing new content proves that Premium players are worth more money to them than VIPs.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
You're laboring under the assumption that they WANT more people to go VIP. In reality, they make more money via microtransactions, which mostly come from Premium players. From my perspective as a VIP they are doing everything they can to convince me not to subscribe any longer.
They don't want subscribers. They just want money. The way that they are pricing new content proves that Premium players are worth more money to them than VIPs. |
Assuming this was true, you'd think from a marketing stand point my previous statement would be the ultimate goal of what PM is or was supposed to be, Paragon Studios wants money, like everyone else. They make more money from VIP subscribers that BUY more points like F2P and still pay their subscription, and I am sure there are many out there that think this way.
"I get this powerset for free as F2P has to pay for it, then I have to pay for staves and beast mastery, not to mention I want the imperial dynasty, pocket D, roman, and super hero/villians super packs."
^that way they pocket their monthly subscription AND the purchases off the market... your logic in the way they'd rather have premium players is partially flawed.
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I don't think its a case of wanting people not to subscribe. But more of a case of we don't care if you stop. By allowing everyone to play it allows them to regain Rage quitters or to aleast gain some money from nonsubscribers every once in a while via paragon points purchace. Neither of which was really possible under the old system. |
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
You're laboring under the assumption that they WANT more people to go VIP. In reality, they make more money via microtransactions, which mostly come from Premium players. From my perspective as a VIP they are doing everything they can to convince me not to subscribe any longer.
They don't want subscribers. They just want money. The way that they are pricing new content proves that Premium players are worth more money to them than VIPs. |
I will say that VIP holds less and less the higher tier you are. Sooner or later Incarnate will get old and the grind will wear you down. If you are here as a social meeting place well that's free.
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Yes, but how many? You can be sure that Paragon studios management is combing through the statistics of who buys what and how frequently.|
Originally Posted by Razai
Assuming this was true, you'd think from a marketing stand point my previous statement would be the ultimate goal of what PM is or was supposed to be, Paragon Studios wants money, like everyone else. They make more money from VIP subscribers that BUY more points like F2P and still pay their subscription, and I am sure there are many out there that think this way.
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Premium players, who purchase microtransactions at essentially random intervals, are much more likely to act on impulse. VIP players have monthly stipends, so they're more likely to plan ahead and more likely to feel entitled. This translates to few or no microtransaction purchases. If a Premium player spends more than $10/month then he's spending more than a default VIP player. (Most VIP players are old guard players, and they have a yearly subscription.) The VIP players who purchase additional points in addition to their monthly subscription are a very small minority.
With their impulse purchasing habits, lack of a PP stipend, and majority population in the game, Premium players are much more attractive to the upper managers who make marketing and pricing decisions. Why cater to the smaller population of entitled and stingy VIPs? Drive them into Premium; you get to train them to be impulse buyers and soak more money out of them.
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As yes the good old days. Remember when issue 15 came out we got a whole two task forces and a few costumes pieces those were the days.|
Originally Posted by Player D
Actually in agreement with Congelateur, also by not lowering the costs for VIP, the marketers are missing a golden opportunity to cash in on convincing freebies and premies to go VIP. If they made it more cost effective to subscribe then people might be more inclined to shell out that $15 a month.
Ah, remember the good old days when that $15 a month included everything we now have to save up points and pay extra for? Who knew booster packs would lead to this? |
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Some of you people make my head spin.
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I see where you are coming from, but i will agree to disagree with the labels you place on VIP player. The I see what you say regarding the loose term guard players. I could say the same thing for premium players that dont have enough cash TO afford a monthly subscription or to be plain, don't want to pay one at all, which btw this was me prior to subscribing to coh. |
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
Yes, but how many? You can be sure that Paragon studios management is combing through the statistics of who buys what and how frequently.
Premium players, who purchase microtransactions at essentially random intervals, are much more likely to act on impulse. VIP players have monthly stipends, so they're more likely to plan ahead and more likely to feel entitled. This translates to few or no microtransaction purchases. If a Premium player spends more than $10/month then he's spending more than a default VIP player. (Most VIP players are old guard players, and they have a yearly subscription.) The VIP players who purchase additional points in addition to their monthly subscription are a very small minority. |
I have one rule: I will only pay one subscription for a MMO.
I refuse to pay multiple subscriptions and the day I leave CoH for another MMO, will be because of the rule I have in place.
With that said, others that are premimum players can purchase what hey want and enjoy it for their limited funds or for whatever reason they have for not being a subscribed VIP.
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| With their impulse purchasing habits, lack of a PP stipend, and majority population in the game, Premium players are much more attractive to the upper managers who make marketing and pricing decisions. |
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| Why cater to the smaller population of entitled and stingy VIPs? Drive them into Premium; you get to train them to be impulse buyers and soak more money out of them. |
Are you guys forgetting the 400-550 PP you get every month as a VIP subscriber that Free and Premium players don't get? You want discounts on stuff on top of that?
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I definitely think that people who have been completely loyal to this game (read: 7+ year vets) should be. I mean hell, they've been playing this game this whole time. I think that's an incentive they deserve.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
Are you guys forgetting the 400-550 PP you get every month as a VIP subscriber that Free and Premium players don't get? You want discounts on stuff on top of that?
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No. I subscribe to the game. I want to play the game for that subscription and not be told "Well you can't have this bit unless you pay again". It's like buying a car and being told the hazard lights are extra.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
Are you guys forgetting the 400-550 PP you get every month as a VIP subscriber that Free and Premium players don't get? You want discounts on stuff on top of that?
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The old costume packs were fair enough extra sales but POWERS? No. That's unsavoury profiteering.
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Clever having all those Pet enhancments out at same time as the beast mstery. And nicely done on having mastermind AT on special.
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):