Let's Talk Dark Assault!!!


Aett_Thorn

 

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So I know everyone is drooling over Darkness Control.. but it's Dark Assault that has me giddy.

I mean we get a Psychic Shockwave clone and a Life Drain... DROOOL!!! Oh and a Powerboost Clone to boost up my controls and self-heal! WoW!


My mind is already spinning, thinking about what primaries to pair with it..besides Darkness control.

Fire/Dark, Plant/Dark, Mind/Dark, Earth/Dark... sorry I'm getting overly excited here.

So anyone played the set to higher levels? And what's everyone think the best pairing is?


My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi

 

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I'd argue it's the best Dominator Assault set now. Even rivaling Fire Assault in Raw Damage with superior AoE. Granted Fire Assault has Blaze OP, Dark Assault isn't that far behind.

Really? It probably is the best Dominator Assault set, definitely boasting great AoE, great single target, -ToHit is a good defensive mechanic, the self heal is just icing on the cake of a good damage power.

This set has no flaws, and many strengths.


 

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I'd argue it's the best Dominator Assault set now. Even rivaling Fire Assault in Raw Damage with superior AoE. Granted Fire Assault has Blaze OP, Dark Assault isn't that far behind.

Really? It probably is the best Dominator Assault set, definitely boasting great AoE, great single target, -ToHit is a good defensive mechanic, the self heal is just icing on the cake of a good damage power.

This set has no flaws, and many strengths.
Yah I'd have to agree. I've been playing Dom's for ages, and I never imagined in a million years we'd get a set like this. I can't think of a single primary it wouldn't compliment.

Electric/Dark sounds really good.. while Mind/Dark seems like it could be a good themed build..

and Plant/Dark might end up being the new "Dominator Tank".


My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi

 

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I consider it a midway between Psi Assault and Fiery Assault.


 

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I just hit 22 with my Dark/Dark dom tonight and picked up the PBAoE, Engulfing Darkness. This power is definitely a turning point for the set, as combined with Night Fall's cone, I finally feel like I'm doing real AoE damage. Engulfing Darkness has 2.0 second animation, which is nothing special, but it FEELS fast, which is great for me.

Overall, I'm very happy with Dark Assault. Thoughts on powers so far...

Dark Blast (T1 ST ranged): Nothing special, useful while leveling but I might not slot it in an endgame build.

Smite (ST melee): Solid fast-animating damage. Worth getting into melee range for even when it's your only melee attack

Gloom (T2 ST ranged DoT): Excellent DPA, delivered as a deceptive damage over time effect. This power may not feel like it's doing a lot of damage, but give it an extra second and it'll finish off a lot of things you thought you needed one more attack for. Use it on LTs and Bosses and watch the damage rack up.

Night Fall (cone, 60ft, 19 degree arc): Slightly underwhelming damage, delivered as DoT like Gloom but not as good. Definitely usable due to long range, but you can really feel how narrow it is. Some people may have trouble enjoying this power, but if you make sure to use it from as far away as possible, it'll do its job.

Gather Shadows (self buff): This is extremely similar to Power Boost from Earth and Energy Assault. The difference is, Gather Shadows has about 75% as much boost to your secondary effects in exchange for a 10-second damage boost of 34% (almost as good as Aim and about half as good as Build Up). This feels like a best-of-both-worlds compromise between Power Boost and Aim/Build Up.

Engulfing Darkness (PBAoE 15ft): Another GREAT power - slightly less damage than Fire Assault's Combustion, but with *2* second animation time instead of 3. Get it, slot it, love it. Some folks may complain about needing to get into melee range for this, but it's worth it.

I don't have the last three powers yet, but Life Drain looks like it will add some good survivability and ranged damage if you frankenslot it for acc/dam/rech/heal with as may triple and quad pieces as you can squeeze in. Moon Beam is a complete skip, on the other hand, unless you happen to love snipes or want to mule a cheap snipe set for set bonuses.

And finally there's Midnight Grasp - on paper, this is another great melee attack with a bonus immobilize built in. My only complaint is that they didn't see fit to give us an alternative to the hentai tentacles of doom, considering how Dark Control has a very different aesthetic.


 

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Engulfing Darkness is a Foot Stomp clone in everything but damage type and control effect. You bet your *** it's amazing.

Unlike Combustion, which is just bland and bad.


 

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Kinda shocked they gave the set a power boost AND life drain..seems a little TOO good. Sure..sets like earth and em can power boost seismic smash's hold, and total focus stun, in addition to the entire primary...but PB + life drain and a damage boost??
I got the same feeling when I first saw Shadow Meld for stalkers...Did the dev team actually MEAN to make something so good, or was it a chance collision of awesome?


 

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Once the Devs moved Moonbeam to level 35, the set was sold with me. I was probably going to use it anyways, but that just sealed the deal. Why is it better at 35? Because I can skip it and start getting ancillary pool powers then.

Loving my level 15 Ice/Dark Dom so far. Trying to make it a confusion-based Dominator, which should be a fun attempt, at the least.


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"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus

 

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Yah I'd have to agree. I've been playing Dom's for ages, and I never imagined in a million years we'd get a set like this. I can't think of a single primary it wouldn't compliment.

Electric/Dark sounds really good.. .
Wait.....Electric/Dark?????

Doesn't /Dark have a lot of Damage Over Time? And doesn't Damage Over Time keep the bad critters awake in the sleep patch????

Pancake, if Dark's DoT is minor enough that the critters will still snooze in the sleep patch I will make one quicker than my cat can lick her ear.

Lisa-Wondering


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Wait.....Electric/Dark?????

Doesn't /Dark have a lot of Damage Over Time? And doesn't Damage Over Time keep the bad critters awake in the sleep patch????

Pancake, if Dark's DoT is minor enough that the critters will still snooze in the sleep patch I will make one quicker than my cat can lick her ear.

Lisa-Wondering
The enemies will wake up, but then be put back to sleep. Also, the enemies are likely to have no endurance, if you're doing things right.


Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
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The enemies will wake up, but then be put back to sleep. Also, the enemies are likely to have no endurance, if you're doing things right.
True about waking up and being put back to sleep...but I thought Damage Over Time kept them from being put to sleep?????

Am I wrong?

Is Elec/Dark Viable????

Lisa.


So don't wait for heroes, do it yourself
You've got the power
winners are losers
who got up and gave it just one more try

***Dennis DeYoung

 

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True about waking up and being put back to sleep...but I thought Damage Over Time kept them from being put to sleep?????

Am I wrong?

Is Elec/Dark Viable????

Lisa.
Damage over time doesn't keep them from being put to sleep, but it will keep waking them up if the damage tics after the sleep does. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that the two are bad together, or that it makes this pairing inviable. You use the sleep patch at range, then charge in. While the sleep patch and your aura are draining the endurance of your enemies, you can use your DoTs, Jolting Chain, and attacks. Basically, the sleep patch becomes more of an alpha mitigation tool, instead of a constant mitigation tool. But you'll have enough constant mitigation tools so that this isn't a problem. And if your DoT misses, then the enemy is slept again.

Also, two of your DoTs are single-target, so while you're dealing with on enemy, the rest can be slept.


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~Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus

 

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I am very excited by fire/dark, and I am tempted by earth/dark. I think plant/dark will be super spiffy too.

In fact, I am almost tempted to remake my plant/fire as plant/dark since she is only level 30. Fire does sick damage but dark assault fits better. Dunno.

Lewis


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After Playing dark on beta, I found I perfered Psi.

The Dark PBAOE only seemed to hit 10 targets...
And I am REALLY spoiled by Drain Psyche.


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I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...


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After Playing dark on beta, I found I perfered Psi.

The Dark PBAOE only seemed to hit 10 targets...
And I am REALLY spoiled by Drain Psyche.
Most PBAoEs only hit ten. Drain Psyche is an outlier in that regard. So you'll never be happy with another set.


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I am very excited by fire/dark, and I am tempted by earth/dark. I think plant/dark will be super spiffy too.

In fact, I am almost tempted to remake my plant/fire as plant/dark since she is only level 30. Fire does sick damage but dark assault fits better. Dunno.

Lewis
Plant/Fire/Fire past lvl 40 is a one-toon wrecking crew, particularly with IO's. Just keep growing her. I'll let you know about Plant/Dark in a few more hours once I farm up to that level, but I think it will have to be Plant/Dark/Fire to compete. On the other hand, that's a nice themed build for a walking forest fire (think of Dark as smoke, tint it accordingly).


 

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Yeah, I think I will keep my plant/fire.

However, I have a level 2 plant/ice/ice I may redo as plant/dark/ice.

Lewis


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I have a 50 Grav/EM/Primal That I'm resisting recreating again as a Grav/Dark.....

I might reroll my mid-20s Plant Thorn as Plant/Dark and just color Dark greenish..

What about Mind/Dark? hmmmmm




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Mind/Dark is working out to be fun. I made a "Vampiri" clone.. lol.

Oh with Electric/Dark I was contemplating the +Regen in the primary with the Self-heal in the secondary. Might make a squishy a little harder to kill ;-).


My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi

 

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Mind/Dark is working out to be fun. I made a "Vampiri" clone.. lol.

Oh with Electric/Dark I was contemplating the +Regen in the primary with the Self-heal in the secondary. Might make a squishy a little harder to kill ;-).
What level are you? I like the idea of mind's hard controls paired with dark assault, but am worried that dark assault seems so PBAOE/melee and mind is all ranged. What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks!


"Hi, my name is Ail. I make people sick."
A partial selection from my 50's on Freedom: Ail = Ice/Traps, Luck = Street Justice/Super Reflexes Stalker, Mist = Bane, Pixy = Trick Arrow/Archery, Pure = Gravity/Energy, Smoke = Fire/Fire Dominator

 

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What level are you? I like the idea of mind's hard controls paired with dark assault, but am worried that dark assault seems so PBAOE and mind is all ranged. What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks!

Huh... I've never had a problem getting all up close and melee on a Mind Dom. Mind/Stone is still one of my favorites.

* Fire powerboosted control from range, jump in and beat the snot out of everything in sight.


My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi

 

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Huh... I've never had a problem getting all up close and melee on a Mind Dom. Mind/Stone is still one of my favorites.

* Fire powerboosted control from range, jump in and beat the snot out of everything in sight.
Maybe I will try it out then...I have been thinking about it. It is down to between Mind/Dark and Plant/Dark doms. The plant dark had been winning, to be honest, but maybe I should give mind a try.


"Hi, my name is Ail. I make people sick."
A partial selection from my 50's on Freedom: Ail = Ice/Traps, Luck = Street Justice/Super Reflexes Stalker, Mist = Bane, Pixy = Trick Arrow/Archery, Pure = Gravity/Energy, Smoke = Fire/Fire Dominator

 

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Maybe I will try it out then...I have been thinking about it. It is down to between Mind/Dark and Plant/Dark doms. The plant dark had been winning, to be honest, but maybe I should give mind a try.
Or make both

I made a Dark/Dark Dom, and a Dark/Energy Dom....I think I am liking the Dark/Energy more right now. It feels like it has Oomph.

They are still swaddling newborns though, just level 8. The Dark/Dark is doing reg contact/radio missions, and the Dark/Energy found an old Skulls map in the AE and is very happily pounding on Skulls.

Lisa.


So don't wait for heroes, do it yourself
You've got the power
winners are losers
who got up and gave it just one more try

***Dennis DeYoung

 

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Originally Posted by RiverOcean View Post
Mind/Dark is working out to be fun. I made a "Vampiri" clone.. lol.

Oh with Electric/Dark I was contemplating the +Regen in the primary with the Self-heal in the secondary. Might make a squishy a little harder to kill ;-).
Wimper....I don't need more alts....but that Elec/Dark interests me, as does the Mind/Dark.

Mind is full of wonderful survival tools, and Electric's sleep patch is the cat's meow....

Either would probably be more survable than Dark/Energy...hmmmm

Lisa-Brewing coffee so I can think and ponder.


So don't wait for heroes, do it yourself
You've got the power
winners are losers
who got up and gave it just one more try

***Dennis DeYoung

 

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What level are you? I like the idea of mind's hard controls paired with dark assault, but am worried that dark assault seems so PBAOE/melee and mind is all ranged. What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks!
That's a common misconception. Mind is really good in melee. Terrify is the only cone power it has, and is debatable. You can go in the middle of the mob and jump high and click it and it turns into TAOE. The aoe hold, the aoe sleep, the confuse all very very melee friendly. The range and radius are out of this world.. In the middle of the mob it feels like having multiple Pbaoe powers. Mind is really flexible, anyway you want it, it works.

To me dark assault is divided into 2. Almost half and half, almost too busy for me. You'll be starting in range then go into melee, then range again if you have too. You'll find yourself in range most of the time on teams actually. So DA is not really on Pbaoe side. It depends on your build.


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