The dirty truth about TW/EA that no one wants you to hear.
By
Blue_Centurion,
Posted on: 2012-02-17 11:20 in Player Questions
It's a higher tier awesomesauce power WAI.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I personally love this combo, use it with a Brute and it's amazing, but I do fully agree that it's extremely endurance heavy.
I use Elec armor on my main scrapper. An elec/elec. I run 3 leadership toggles, plus fighting toggles, and I do need that constant infusion of End. I have also been known to physically hug a Kin at the door to a mission. awkward, but I cannot seem to stop myself.
No worries, hugging a kin is considered socially acceptable.
It's when you start licking them that things get awkward.
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I find this a bit hard to believe. Not hard to believe you had it all slotted that way - hard to believe you were still having that much Endurance issues. Were you running excess toggles (Super Speed or Leadership, for example)? Were your attacks slotted for enough accuracy and damage to keep you from needing lots of extra attacks to finish foes? Were you fighting any enemies with End Drain or -Recovery?|
Originally Posted by Humility
I slotted a miracle recovery at 18 and had stamina 3 slotted with a performance shifter +end proc added in at level 30. Every attack other than Defensive Sweep had at least 2 end reducers in it and some had a little bit extra from frankenslotting. I carried a tray full of blues and used the recovery serum temp power almost every mission. Leveling was still PAINFUL.
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Or, are you particularly accustomed to teaming with allies who have Recovery buffs to give?
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98% or more of my play time is solo, so no, not used to teaming with anyone for recovery bonuses. Attacks had 1 1/2 to 2 SO's worth of accuracy at all times depending on frankenslotting and both rend armor and crushing blow have defense debuffs on them. Damage and recharge were my next goals depending on the attack, following end redux and acc. The only extra toggle I ran before hitting 35 was combat jumping. |
Originally Posted by Blue_Fenix
I find this a bit hard to believe. Not hard to believe you had it all slotted that way - hard to believe you were still having that much Endurance issues. Were you running excess toggles (Super Speed or Leadership, for example)? Were your attacks slotted for enough accuracy and damage to keep you from needing lots of extra attacks to finish foes? Were you fighting any enemies with End Drain or -Recovery?
Or, are you particularly accustomed to teaming with allies who have Recovery buffs to give? |
Base end costs for the powers are
DS: 5.36
CB: 8.78
TS: 10.5
RA: 15.64
WS: 13.93
AoD: 19.07
Looking over the other sets it is close to double the end cost of many of the light end sets and just a bit harsher than even the heaviest end use on other sets. Combine that with the very fast activation times once you build momentum and you can burn through your blue bar very, VERY quickly. On a secondary like regen or WP that gets extra recovery quickly it's not so harsh, but when you don't get end management until 35 it can be pretty bad. Easier on teams, but soloing you really burn through end far faster than you have the capability to get it back.
EPA is high, but DPE is really, really good.
I have a TW/EA scrapper to level 32. It's definitely end heavy -- I'm constantly combining inspirations into blues.
But I agree with a poster earlier who said the set is "WAI." Many sets don't fully mature until the late game. Other sets mature early. It's simply something one must take into account during character creation. Whenever I roll a new character, I always look at the Real Numbers information to determine how a set will perform in the game, whether it develops early, or later in the game.
I appreciate the OP's frustration, but I don't see this as being "broken" either.
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I love EA, and it's ability to mitigate end consumption is stupid-awesome. I'd recommend it whole-heatedly. That said, I have no interest in, like of, or wish to try more, TW. So I suppose that TW might have some fatal flaw that doesn't play nice with EA, but I doubt it. If TW sucks, it sucks all on it's own merits.
But I doubt that is the case. My dislike of TW is purely thematic.. From what I've seen it's a very viable set, with at most the normal level of weaknesses.. If they don't combo well, I'd suspect it's playstyle. It *may* be play style related, but I'd doubt it..
So a while back, maybe a month or so I grabbed Titan Weapons and decided to give it a go. I had seen much raving on the forums about how well it pairs with EA and what a great combo it is, etc so I decided to run with it. Now I'm going to share the ugly truth that most people don't put into their posts talking about it.
This combo is HORRIBLE and painful to play. Saying it has endurance issues doesn't begin to describe the misery of playing this combo. I slotted a miracle recovery at 18 and had stamina 3 slotted with a performance shifter +end proc added in at level 30. Every attack other than Defensive Sweep had at least 2 end reducers in it and some had a little bit extra from frankenslotting. I carried a tray full of blues and used the recovery serum temp power almost every mission. Leveling was still PAINFUL. Recovery Serum only has 40% up time, while I could defeat things quickly I was constantly sucking wind. I coughed, wheezed and gasped for breath like an asthmatic in a marathon.
Then came level 35 and Energy Drain. It was nearly orgasmic. Going from constantly running dry to being able to refill your bar every 40ish seconds with a recharge in it was just amazing. The difference was just astounding, it was a completely different game and with the addition of just one power and suddenly I was tinkering between x5 and x8 depending on the enemy type, softcapped to s/l and 38-42 on f/c/e with neg a bit behind with only light IOing. It was a completely different game. It was like viagra for my blue bar.
... Yes, this post is intended to be a bit tongue in cheek, but at the same time it's a little bit serious. Energy Drain is really fantastic but it comes very late in the game and everything before it is just painful. I suppose if you're just going to get powerleveled or something it's not a big deal, and it wasn't too painful on a team but I mostly solo and it was just harsh. Worth the payoff in the end, and it will likely be the character that I end up pimping out when the new solo incarnate content is released. I almost exclusively solo, so while I have a couple characters with the alpha, I haven't done much more and I was tinkering with different ideas of what I wanted to use when it became available.