Roman swords/axes?


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Why are they not available with the roman costume bundle? They have nothing to do with the ITF?


 

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Because nobody would run the ITF if they already had the weapons. Duh.

Or something.

Honestly, it makes no sense whatsoever.


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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell View Post
Because nobody would run the ITF if they already had the weapons. Duh.

Or something.

Honestly, it makes no sense whatsoever.
This. They want to keep them exclusive.


 

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This. They want to keep them exclusive.
I can understand the ITF weapons exclusive but what about roman swords and axes?

By the way, I consider the roman shield a weapon.


 

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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099 View Post
I can understand the ITF weapons exclusive but what about roman swords and axes?

By the way, I consider the roman shield a weapon.
I completely agree. If you are playing a Shield Defense character, the shield IS a weapon. The missing weapons in this pack make no sense, even with the idea of gating it behind the ITF.


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This. They want to keep them exclusive.
The only one that is exculsive is the nictus sword. The others are unlock for killing 100 romans. And they already include the nictus shield so even though thats the reason given by Marketing/Devs its a stupid one.


 

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The only one that is exculsive is the nictus sword. The others are unlock for killing 100 romans. And they already include the nictus shield so even though thats the reason given by Marketing/Devs its a stupid one.
Agreed completely. Might want to voice your concerns in the official thread, however. Better shot of being heard and hopefully preventing something like this from happening in the future.


 

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Better shot of being heard and hopefully preventing something like this from happening in the future.
Yeah. We definitely don't want the devs doing nice things for us during holiday events anymore. Bunch of jerks. Where do they get off giving us a chance to buy access to content that's normally gated behind the completion of a 35+ TF just because it has things in common with the Spring Fling event.


 

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Strawman much? I didn't see anyone complaining about the existence of the pack, only that the devs left the weapons out for no clear reason, which makes it feel like they just botched an attempt to fulfill what has been a frequent request since Freedom, if not much earlier. As customers, we have every right to voice our opinions (preferably calmly, as this thread has so far been) on the product we're purchasing. That is, after all, what the feedback thread is for.


 

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Strawman much? I didn't see anyone complaining about the existence of the pack, only that the devs left the weapons out for no clear reason, which makes it feel like they just botched an attempt to fulfill what has been a frequent request since Freedom, if not much earlier. As customers, we have every right to voice our opinions (preferably calmly, as this thread has so far been) on the product we're purchasing. That is, after all, what the feedback thread is for.
I just wish the majority of our forum could calmly voice their opinions. Most of the time, when new 'stuff' is released I see a tendency to focus on one small, mostly insignificant thing that is wrong with it and parade around with it like it's the most disrespectful act of vengeance recently visited upon the playerbase by the evil developer corporation.

I know it's a small group that has nothing to do but complain, but I don't have much enthusiasm for this forum anymore as a result of it.


 

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Strawman much? I didn't see anyone complaining about the existence of the pack, only that the devs left the weapons out for no clear reason, which makes it feel like they just botched an attempt to fulfill what has been a frequent request since Freedom, if not much earlier. As customers, we have every right to voice our opinions (preferably calmly, as this thread has so far been) on the product we're purchasing. That is, after all, what the feedback thread is for.
Not a strawman at all. You posted in the other thread where Ghost Falcon responded to Lothics post and confirmed she was right about why the weapons weren't included, so you also know that people complained that they don't like buying something that they can unlock for free in the game which is a complaint about the existence of the pack. They have also complained about a variety of other things on top of that.


 

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Not a strawman at all. You posted in the other thread
OK... but this isn't that thread. So, you're attacking an argument which no one in this discussion is actually making, which is either off-topic, or the very definition of a strawman, depending on how a reader interprets it and/or what your intent was.


 

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OK... but this isn't that thread. So, you're attacking an argument which no one in this discussion is actually making, which is the definition of a strawman. Whether or not somebody somewhere else has at some point made that argument doesn't make it less of a strawman.
Considering that around half the people in this thread are participating in the other thread, Yes it's appropriate. Don't like it? Too bad. You can always put me on your ignore list if you don't like what I'm saying.


 

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OK... but this isn't that thread. So, you're attacking an argument which no one in this discussion is actually making, which is either off-topic, or the very definition of a strawman, depending on how a reader interprets it and/or what your intent was.
Well said.

How can you call it a roman costume bundle when the roman swords and axes are not part of it?


 

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Well said.

How can you call it a roman costume bundle when the roman swords and axes are not part of it?
Because it's still a costume bundle. It's a costume bundle missing swords and axes. Probably because we're going to see a weapons pack in the not so distant future.

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There are a couple of threads with dev responses about this. One reason given is keeping a reason to run that TF.


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Well said.

How can you call it a roman costume bundle when the roman swords and axes are not part of it?
Because we've always had the Roman Gladius sword available at level 1. So it would be kind of stupid to sell people a weapon they already have unlocked.


 

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There are a couple of threads with dev responses about this. One reason given is keeping a reason to run that TF.
The specific weapons he's asking about are unlocked with the Centurion badge, not by completing the TF.

And do we really believe nobody would run the ITF if it weren't giving away a handful of powerset-specific costume items? It's not a problem for... well, any other TF in the game that people are still running.

I think the "coming to our rescue with a weapons pack (for an additional charge) in a few months" theory holds a lot more water than the official line.


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Because we've always had the Roman Gladius sword available at level 1. So it would be kind of stupid to sell people a weapon they already have unlocked.
"Hey, the Valkyrie pack doesn't include the Valkyrie Blade!"
"Quit complaining, you've already got the Fantasy Blade, that's good enough."

For the record:

The basic gladius, available to everyone at level 1.


The "Roman - Gladiator" and "Roman - Savage" swords (yes, they're actually listed as "Roman" in the character editor), omitted from the Roman costume bundle -- "They were intentionally left out to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force (ITF)." Even though that's not how they're unlocked. The shields unlocked in exactly the same way as these swords are included in the bundle.

And, for completeness:

The Romulus and Romulus Nictus swords, also omitted from the Roman costume bundle "to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force." These actually are unlocked through the ITF, so the logic holds up in the case of these two -- though I think it's important to mention that the equivalent shields, also (until now) unlockable only by completing the ITF, are included in the bundle, despite the stated goal "to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force."

I don't have a Battle Axe character with the Roman axes unlocked (which, by the way, also happens via the Centurion badge and not the ITF), so I can't provide screen caps of those, but I think it's safe to say those are markedly different from the gladius, too.


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Because we've always had the Roman Gladius sword available at level 1. So it would be kind of stupid to sell people a weapon they already have unlocked.
You are very young and naive. But I will try to educate you.

The Roman gladius (straight edge)comes at a later period. Roman swords intially had leaf blade designs like Greek swords. We can only speculate why the Romans shifted away from the leaf blade designs to the well known gladius (eg. maybe because it was more efficient for thrusting? maybe it was easier to produce in mass?).

The Roman Gladiator is not available at level 1 and it not part of the supposed "Roman Costume bundle".

The Roman Savage is actually from a movie, but still can be used in other designs as it looks a lot like a machete also omitted from the bundle.

And then there are the roman axes don't forget also not part of the bundle.


 

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Yeah. We definitely don't want the devs doing nice things for us during holiday events anymore. Bunch of jerks. Where do they get off giving us a chance to buy access to content that's normally gated behind the completion of a 35+ TF just because it has things in common with the Spring Fling event.
What? What kind of attitude is that? We want everything NOW! And if we don't get exactly what we want, it's a SLAP IN THE FACE!


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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell View Post
"Hey, the Valkyrie pack doesn't include the Valkyrie Blade!"
"Quit complaining, you've already got the Fantasy Blade, that's good enough."

For the record:

The basic gladius, available to everyone at level 1.


The "Roman - Gladiator" and "Roman - Savage" swords (yes, they're actually listed as "Roman" in the character editor), omitted from the Roman costume bundle -- "They were intentionally left out to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force (ITF)." Even though that's not how they're unlocked. The shields unlocked in exactly the same way as these swords are included in the bundle.

And, for completeness:

The Romulus and Romulus Nictus swords, also omitted from the Roman costume bundle "to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force." These actually are unlocked through the ITF, so the logic holds up in the case of these two -- though I think it's important to mention that the equivalent shields, also (until now) unlockable only by completing the ITF, are included in the bundle, despite the stated goal "to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force."

I don't have a Battle Axe character with the Roman axes unlocked (which, by the way, also happens via the Centurion badge and not the ITF), so I can't provide screen caps of those, but I think it's safe to say those are markedly different from the gladius, too.
Thank you for showing in detail what I am asking about. Thank you!


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
Yeah. We definitely don't want the devs doing nice things for us during holiday events anymore. Bunch of jerks. Where do they get off giving us a chance to buy access to content that's normally gated behind the completion of a 35+ TF just because it has things in common with the Spring Fling event.
They're not "doing nice things for us," they're trying to sell us something. Asking for our money in exchange for their product. It's not a favor, it's business. The Domino's guy isn't bringing your pizza right to your door just because he's such a swell dude; he's doing his job, which is to provide that service to customers at a monetary cost.

In this case, the product being offered is one which a not-insignificant number of (potential) customers feel is incomplete -- almost as incomplete as the seller's explanation for that incompleteness.


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