Alternate Universe Lord Recluse?

I know this might sound kind of silly but the thought has been rattling around in my head since I started playing a few months ago and checked out the wikis. I am aware that there have been two alternate versions of Statesman introduced, one of them being Reichsman and another being the current Tyrant. What I'm wondering is if they ever thought of trying to do something with an alternate universe Lord Recluse or if doing such a thing might be a good idea.

The reason I bring it up at all, it could be an interesting concept or story, maybe we discover realities where Recluse ended up being a heroic figure instead of a villainous one, or if we want to avoid mirror universe parallels what about situations where Alternate Recluse is something closer to a devourer of worlds. A being that perhaps figured out how to harness the power of the well of the furies but rather than become a tyrant turned into something closer to an elemental force, seeking to conquer and consume all that it could reach its power into? Hell, for that matter maybe a Lord Recluse contacting universe counterparts with a simple plan, join forces and wipe out the rivals of each other in each universe allowing them to conquer their own dimensions.

The Praetorian Stefan Richter was murdered by Marcus Cole at the Well. That's the only other Stefan we've been told about.

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i would love to see an alternate dimension's Lord Recluse. What if he'd been attacked by Cole, but survived, or won... thereby creating another split in reality with a universe where he fought Cole's tyranny, or created another nation of his own in a world dominated by hamidon, or led the battle against another rikti invasion. what if the power he inherited was was not that of tartarus, but rather, a different god?

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i love me some Lord Recluse. although i suppose then he wouldnt be "Lord Recluse" lol

Praetorian Recluse survived. Here he is....

Hmm...

Richter drank from the well first and in that instant, discovers the disadvantages of drawing power from it (kind of reflecting Primal Richter) so prohibits Cole from drinking it. Richter's new found power and knowledge causes a switch between the two; A righteous Richter who protects the earth from a Rikti invasion, and the bitter Cole.

Richter takes the place of Hero 1 on Omega Team, resulting in Hero 1 still being an active presence in this alternate dimension. As an incarnate, Richter doesn't die during the mission, instead of being taken over and made into a puppet, Richter becomes a kind of 'Rikti Recluse' by assimilating with the alternate-alternate universe Rikti, which he now rules! And he wants to bring peace across dimensions by assuring his home that the Rikti are no longer a threat.

Now you must stop a war... Hero 1 seeks to bring Richter back to his home, even by force, thinking it is purely the Rikti who control him. Cole, using 'other means' to recover after the war, seeks to simply destroy the Rikti, Richter and all, to protect the world from 'gods' like him. And Richter who says, despite his mutation and take over of the Rikti, must protect these alternate-world humans, but only you know the true secret...

That this is the origin of the Rikti. And if the proper progression is not maintained, a paradox of universal proportions may cause the destruction of the universe! To save the multi-verse, you must kill Richter who stands in the path of proper progression of the Rikti, kill all of 'Rikti Earth's' (that's what we'd call it) 'gods' and help the Rikti continue its take over.

Heh, it started out as a fun idea but it's kinda messy now

Please. No more alternate versions of these signature NPCs. PLEASE! It has been done to death here and we need fresh and new.

Lord Recluse, 1, isn't that stupid. He is a mastermind of evil and I would think he would have a problem with sharing and 2, is intresting in part because everywhere else there isn't a Recluse. He is special or dead.

Hmmmm.....


I wonder if Axis America Earth(the one Reichsman is from) has a Recluse?
That could be interesting.

I'd like to see a Recluse from an alternate universe where he's still the leader of Arachnos but, they're a children's group. Kinda like a super powered version of the Wiggles.

Yes, I know that's stupid. I just think it'd be funny.

oooOoOooOohhh now that i think about it, i would like to see a Recluse with a Son/Heir to his regime who is currently dating or married to that universe's Ms. Lib. A universe where Recluse and States didnt become rivals, or if they still did, it was in a friendly competetive sense. and the world was full of Spiders with Stars on their chests. underwater. in space.

I think the main issue of an alternate Recluse is that, if he isn't an Incarnate, then he would've died of old age anyhow. If he is an Incarnate, he either gained the power of Zeus and would be that reality's Statesman, or still gained the power of Tartarus and under which case he would have the spider legs and I doubt a half-man half-spider Demi-God could get away with being a Hero, he'd just keep creeping people out.

I'd like to see a world where Stefan managed to kill Marcus at The Well and proceeded to take over the world with his henchmen being that Reality's versions of our Hero/Villain groups' leaders. Dreck with the Freakshow, Requiem leading the Arbiters, Ms Liberty with Crossbow, War Witch with what's left of the Midnighters, Foreshadow leading a strike team of Fusionette, Mako, BaB, Positron, Synapse, Blue Steel, Kalinda and Black Scorpion

Heroes team up with the reality's freedom fighters lead by Count Crey, The Prussian Prince (Oh noes Nemesis!) and Frostfire, helping the reality because the Recluse we all know and loathe is trying to form an alliance with Arachnos Earth. With Crey and PPrince's technological army and Frostfire's misfits for backup, all they need is help from someone with experience.

Villains manage to weasel their way into helping Arachnos with this Reality by force, going there for a free world where might makes right so you can go nuts and do what you want without trying to worry about the Heroes of Paragon City.. Until they start to show up to stop you. Guess it's time to show them how it feels to be Most Wanted?

3 or 4 storyarcs, repeatable contact, level 40-50 trial and maybe letting you unlock the Alpha slot automatically at arc completion, like the Flames of Prometheus giving an Incarnate reward at 50.


Such a world would be technology driven with most magic which isn't useful or can't be controlled forcibly removed. The Circle of Thorns, and Oranbega, would be destroyed and in ruins. The Mu would be a weapon under the guidance of War Witch and her Midnighters. The Carnival of Shadows would be found and destroyed by Recluse's seers, likely losing Ghost Widow (or the woman who would be) in the process.

Groups like Malta, Family, 5th Column/Council, Sky Raiders and even Warriors would be assimilated into the Arbiters who would rule over individual sections of city. Ms Liberty (under a different name, of course..) would lead Crossbow, the effective combination of the current Arachnos/Longbow/PPD/RIP, and would act as police for the Arbiters. Foreshadow's strike team being called in to handle the larger threats.

High above or deep below the cities (I'm picturing most areas being like Grandville), anyone who wants to find help would seek out Frostfire. Anyone who's willing to fight would be divided by those with or without powers. Those with powers, whether mutant, magic or science go to Frostfire for training, those with just the will to fight go to Crey and PPrince to be armed with powerful weapons, power suits and automoton bodyguards.

The freedom fighters would exist to protect those who can't survive in the kill or be killed world, or to arm those who want to do more than hide, with the eventual goal to put a sane person in control or start their own country away from it all. With help from various scientists they've collected they have sent a message to Primal Earth (and perhaps other realities to cause a headache?) for help.