Using Incandescence a kickable offense?
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AquaJAWS,
Posted on: 2012-01-15 05:00 in Player Questions
As someone who also leads trials, Incandescence just isn't worth it. It overcomplicates things and in many cases people aren't always needed in the same area and it can add confusion.
For TPN specifically even if you're ignoring the telepathists outside, everyone should be moving into the buildings together, and there is plenty of time to get to the building after the previous building before the doors open.
There are a few applications for it where it can be helpful (TPing after a wipe on warwalkers in UG, avoiding oblit beams if going for badge in keyes) but they are far and few between.
Whether those are the same reasons as the leader of the trial you were on, I don't know, did you ask him what his reasons were?
Because if you're not the first person on the scene, your use of Incandescence will be an annoyance to everyone already there leading the IDF from the terminal.
If I were league leader, I'd tell you, "You can only use it if you're the first one there."
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I sent a tell saying I thought they were overly harsh but that I would comply. There was no response from them via teill or league chat. There were not overly communicative which I can understand since they were running the trial just thought a blunt use it and get kicked was rude. I can see the reasons you indicated but none of that seems like a kickable offense if someone where to use it on this trial at least.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Whether those are the same reasons as the leader of the trial you were on, I don't know, did you ask him what his reasons were?
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Originally Posted by Flower
I sent a tell saying I thought they were overly harsh but that I would comply. There was no response from them via teill or league chat. There were not overly communicative which I can understand since they were running the trial just thought a blunt use it and get kicked was rude. I can see the reasons you indicated but none of that seems like a kickable offense if someone where to use it on this trial at least.
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A) Used it without asking, were told to stop, only to keep using it
or B) Asked if you could use it, were told not to, then did it again anyway
or C) Asked if you could use it, got no answer (as you did), used it, were told to stop, then did it again anyway
then yeah you'd deserve to be kicked. But threatening a kick for even asking is really pretty rude, especially when you're just trying to help.
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Funny thing; I was running a no-telepathist TPN trial the other day and wished I had my character with Incandescence--a lot of people kept dying in the halls on the way to the rooms, hospitaling, running back, and dying again on the way. It would have been useful to be able to yank everyone in all at once.
The league leader can kick people for whatever reason they like. Your options are form your own, /quit, /gignore or /petition.
I kick people for demoralizing the league ("We're not going to make it," "This is too hard" etc.), playing for rewards instead of fun ("Let's turn every phase into a defeat all so I can get 3 more threads!") and lying dead on the floor instead of hosping.
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Originally Posted by Flower
Last night I joined a TPN trial. The leader announced we would be using what I call the blitz method where you ignore the outside stuff and simply go from building to building activating the terminals.
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Originally Posted by Flower
I asked in league chat if they want the league TP (Incandescence) used. Getting no response I slotted the ability
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| League: I can slot my league TP if we are doing it that way unless others have it |
Heck, I didn't even want to lead the trial, and many of the posters in this thread know why from my past posting history.
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Originally Posted by Flower
and announced I was going to use it so people could turn on their prompt if they didn't want it.
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01-14-2012 20:21:31 League You: [Power:Incandescence Total Core Invocation] slotted if you don't want it turn on your [Power:Incandescence Total Core Invocation] slotted and will be using it 01-14-2012 20:21:52 League Me: if you use that, I'll boot you 01-14-2012 20:21:58 League You: sorry that came out wrong, will be using league TP power 01-14-2012 20:22:04 League enters trial. |
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Originally Posted by Flower
The leage leader immediatly said in league chat that if I did they would kick me from the trial.
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Originally Posted by Flower
I must admit I was very taken aback. This leader was not some random person, they are very knowledgable about the game and trials but I can see no reason why the use of that destiny to help get everyone to the right place in the right building should be a kickable offense.
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Originally Posted by Flower
What am I missing about Incadescence on the TPN trial? Or the use of Incadescence in general?
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
As someone who also leads trials, Incandescence just isn't worth it. It overcomplicates things and in many cases people aren't always needed in the same area and it can add confusion.
For TPN specifically even if you're ignoring the telepathists outside, everyone should be moving into the buildings together, and there is plenty of time to get to the building after the previous building before the doors open. |
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Whether those are the same reasons as the leader of the trial you were on, I don't know, did you ask him what his reasons were?
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Originally Posted by Flower
I sent a tell saying I thought they were overly harsh but that I would comply.
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Originally Posted by Flower
There was no response from them via teill or league chat. There were not overly communicative which I can understand since they were running the trial just thought a blunt use it and get kicked was rude.
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- I joined the league about 20 minutes earlier.
- I was discussing strategy for the trial for most of that.
- I didn't want to lead the league in the first place.
- You announced that you were going to use it less than 30 seconds before we zoned into the trial (we had to wait for the last few to accept).
- I was sending the league reminders throughout the trial.
- I was trying to make sure the trial went off successfully.
- The trial was successful.
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Originally Posted by Flower
I can see the reasons you indicated but none of that seems like a kickable offense if someone where to use it on this trial at least.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
I could see if you
A) Used it without asking, were told to stop, only to keep using it or B) Asked if you could use it, were told not to, then did it again anyway or C) Asked if you could use it, got no answer (as you did), used it, were told to stop, then did it again anyway then yeah you'd deserve to be kicked. But threatening a kick for even asking is really pretty rude, especially when you're just trying to help. |
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I agree with your reasoning for not wanting him to use it and how you handled it, but in the interest from correctness, the team TP prompt is a setting from people's option screen, not NULL the gull. Anyone can change that quickly on the options screen (its like 3rd or 4th from the top) at any time. People who didn't want it should have had ample time to change it if so desired.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
And you said that as the league was mid-queue and no one would have had a chance to change their TP prompt settings at the Gull.
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To be honest, at the time I wasn't even thinking about tracking down an option so that I could tell the league how to turn the prompt on. A lot of people don't know where to find it and I didn't want to waste time helping them find it. As it was someone was killing cameras and another player was using AoEs before we went into the main building for the first time.
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Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
I agree with your reasoning for not wanting him to use it and how you handled it, but in the interest from correctness, the team TP prompt is a setting from people's option screen, not NULL the gull. Anyone can change that quickly on the options screen (its like 3rd or 4th from the top) at any time. People who didn't want it should have had ample time to change it if so desired.
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Yes, ample time when you're NOT running timed content.
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Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
Anyone can change that quickly on the options screen (its like 3rd or 4th from the top) at any time. People who didn't want it should have had ample time to change it if so desired.
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Originally Posted by Flower
Last night I joined a TPN trial. The leader announced we would be using what I call the blitz method where you ignore the outside stuff and simply go from building to building activating the terminals. I asked in league chat if they want the league TP (Incandescence) used. Getting no response I slotted the ability and announced I was going to use it so people could turn on their prompt if they didn't want it. The leage leader immediatly said in league chat that if I did they would kick me from the trial.
I must admit I was very taken aback. This leader was not some random person, they are very knowledgable about the game and trials but I can see no reason why the use of that destiny to help get everyone to the right place in the right building should be a kickable offense. What am I missing about Incadescence on the TPN trial? Or the use of Incadescence in general? |
In any event - he can't kick you. He can vote to kick you, but that's all. More often than not - from a leader perspective, votes to kick cause more problems than they solve.
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Not if it was a closed league.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
In any event - he can't kick you. .
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I kind of flubbed my message. I was typing when the enter league thing came up so I stopped, clicked enter then tried to finish it but ended up with two messages combined into one. I immediatly went to fix that and posted a second message it was then that I saw your use it and your gone message and then the leage entered the trial.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Given that I was juggling tells, announcing the trial on global channels, and barely keeping up with questions about how to actually do the trial. I didn't see your request about Incandescence. Sorry.
Heck, I didn't even want to lead the trial, and many of the posters in this thread know why from my past posting history. And that is when I guessed you planned to use it. And you said that as the league was mid-queue and no one would have had a chance to change their TP prompt settings at the Gull. (edit: ok, players could have changed their options as well.) |
I can respect how busy you were and how leadership was thrust at you. Heck it was out of respect for you as a player that I didn't immediatly just quit and go do something else upon entering the trial which I very much wanted to do after seeing your message.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
And that was your warning not to use the power when I'm leading.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
There were only two players that I would trust with that power last night. Myself and one other person (who actually beat everyone to the main rooms of the trial), we were both in voice communication. Incandescence introduces an unexpected and completely unwanted factor when I'm trying to stay ahead of both the game and the league to anticipate problems. Additionally, as an Illusionist, I'm pet heavy and have a lot of ground targeted powers so having a TP prompt in my face just gets me ticked off.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
No, and he didn't ask me after the trial was over either. I think that not responding to a comment that wasn't -asking- why is completely understandable. If you had asked why, I would have asked you to wait until after the trial was finished and I would have told you my reasons for the warning. It was a warning. Beyond that if you have a problem with a warning or any trial strategy I use and want to discuss the warning after a trial, I'm more than happy to do so when I'm not under a time constraint. |
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There was a slight bit of that too. However, in other circumstances, I still would have kicked a player for using that power. The only use I see for that power is as a developer sanctioned griefing tool, nothing more.|
Originally Posted by Ukaserex
I think the leader was probably just stressed out.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
In any event - he can't kick you. He can vote to kick you, but that's all. More often than not - from a leader perspective, votes to kick cause more problems than they solve.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Not if it was a closed league.
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Originally Posted by Flower
I kind of flubbed my message. I was typing when the enter league thing came up so I stopped, clicked enter then tried to finish it but ended up with two messages combined into one. I immediatly went to fix that and posted a second message it was then that I saw your use it and your gone message and then the leage entered the trial.
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Originally Posted by Flower
I can respect how busy you were and how leadership was thrust at you. Heck it was out of respect for you as a player that I didn't immediatly just quit and go do something else upon entering the trial which I very much wanted to do after seeing your message.
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Originally Posted by Flower
I guess what you said could be a warning but I would have prefered a simple don't use that power rather then the threat.
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Originally Posted by Flower
I can respect that, you don't know me very well. Even though I was pretty pissed off at the time, again out of respect for you and realizing that you probably didn't trust me that I stayed on and did what I could to help out.
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Originally Posted by Flower
No as I stated above I was pretty pissed off after that trial and didn't stick around or feel like discussing anything at the time.
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Really? Thanks for that tidbit. Never ran a closed trial before.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Not if it was a closed league.
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"Most people that have no idea what they are doing have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese
@Ukase
Last night I joined a TPN trial. The leader announced we would be using what I call the blitz method where you ignore the outside stuff and simply go from building to building activating the terminals. I asked in league chat if they want the league TP (Incandescence) used. Getting no response I slotted the ability and announced I was going to use it so people could turn on their prompt if they didn't want it. The leage leader immediatly said in league chat that if I did they would kick me from the trial.
I must admit I was very taken aback. This leader was not some random person, they are very knowledgable about the game and trials but I can see no reason why the use of that destiny to help get everyone to the right place in the right building should be a kickable offense.
What am I missing about Incadescence on the TPN trial? Or the use of Incadescence in general?