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Originally Posted by mauk2
From here:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=281919 We get this: Enhancements Hamidon, Synthetic Hamidon, Titan and Hydra Enhancements will no longer incorrectly enhance attributes other than those specified by the enhancement. Took them long enough. If yer sitting on enzymes, membranes, and the like, better move them fast. |
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the only HO that i know that poeple use to enhance the wrong attribute is enzymes for def buffs when its supposed to only be defense debuffs
for me this is honestly not that big of a deal, i planned on using them for a few builds but i had almost none on hand anyway so not a huge loss
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Well, it also appears to prevent enhancing things that aren't supposed to be enhanced at all, like the debuff resistance in Active Defense, or the defense strength increase in Power Boost.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the only HO that i know that poeple use to enhance the wrong attribute is enzymes for def buffs when its supposed to only be defense debuffs
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That's correct, each of the HO's effects are now strictly limited to powers that accept that type of enhancement.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Well, it also appears to prevent enhancing things that aren't supposed to be enhanced at all, like the debuff resistance in Active Defense, or the defense strength increase in Power Boost.
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Oh well. Fully divested of Enzymes.
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Anyone tested Enzymes to confirm that they don't buff defense anymore?
What a crap bugfix. 
Don't Micros work well in Slow powers too, even though they shouldn't? Don't Cents work well in Sonic and Thermal shields, even though they shouldn't? Don't Nucs increase damage resist in WS Eclipse, even though they shouldn't? There are probably lots of other places where HOs provide a larger bonus than they were intended to.
I'll probably need another respec on my main hero badger, who hit 50 when Hami Raids got into full swing on Freedom back in 2005. She was loaded with a huge number of HOs back in the day. Then ED hit and half of them were worthless. Then Inventions came around, and I had better things to slot. I've been pulling them out 10 per freespec for years.
I'm glad Enzymes will be going down in price. Sad about Active Defense though, it was nice having 95% Defense Debuff Resistance.
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You need to pony up the $$ for 2 more enhancement trays. It's account wide. Then you have 30 enhancement slots to fill up during respecs -- pure win!
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Originally Posted by TopDoc
I've been pulling them out 10 per freespec for years.
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Too much $$ for the benefit, and I just need on last respec to finish.
Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
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Don't get me wrong, I bought those trays and they're very useful. But I bought them because I purchased >10k points right after Freedom launched, to get Celestial. Only much later did I do the basic math and realize, HOLY COW, I just paid $40 for more convenience in respeccing.
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Originally Posted by Granite Agent
You need to pony up the $$ for 2 more enhancement trays. It's account wide. Then you have 30 enhancement slots to fill up during respecs -- pure win!
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Saw this news last night past midnight. Pulled 3 Membranes and sold them overnight for about 170M each just to test the weather. Got in from work, saw prices had fallen and pulled 6 more (3 SD toons total) and sold them off for about 110M each. Prolly will fall even more going forward..
I only use Enzymes for Rad's RI as intended, and Centrioles for my Son defender, but they never went for crap anyway so I'll just respec him at my leisure before i22 hits. Mostly, this just sucks for my Shields guys who were used to having capped DDR, but I always assumed they'd fix this exploit sooner or later.
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And running missions longer without needing to dump or losing drops.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
Don't get me wrong, I bought those trays and they're very useful. But I bought them because I purchased >10k points right after Freedom launched, to get Celestial. Only much later did I do the basic math and realize, HOLY COW, I just paid $40 for more convenience in respeccing.
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And turning a couple of my toons into veritable common-IO Wal-Marts on the auction house. My GOD the inf rolls in!
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Thought I'd never see this change. Shield Defense no longer steps on Super Reflexes' toes. I approve.
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Considering this exploit has existed as common knowledge for 6 years and change... I was of the opinion that it wouldn't be fixed, rofl.|
Originally Posted by dave_p
but I always assumed they'd fix this exploit sooner or later.
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On the bright side - at least with enhancement boosters it can fix some of the slack created. At least for me since I havent used them yet.
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Heh, same here. |
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
And running missions longer without needing to dump or losing drops.
And turning a couple of my toons into veritable common-IO Wal-Marts on the auction house. My GOD the inf rolls in! |
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the only HO that i know that poeple use to enhance the wrong attribute is enzymes for def buffs when its supposed to only be defense debuffs
for me this is honestly not that big of a deal, i planned on using them for a few builds but i had almost none on hand anyway so not a huge loss |
Nucleolus Exposures in Warshade's Eclipse enhance Damage Resistance and accuracy.
Ribosomes in a damage aura would be pretty tricky too.
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Unfortunately, enhancement boosters can not be used on Hamidon enhancements. The best you can do is make it 50++ by combining them like you would a SO. I tried using one on a Cyto that i recently slotted in place of an enzyme in weave.
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Originally Posted by LaDiva
Considering this exploit has existed as common knowledge for 6 years and change... I was of the opinion that it wouldn't be fixed, rofl.
On the bright side - at least with enhancement boosters it can fix some of the slack created. At least for me since I haven't used them yet. |
Double bleh. I use enzymes for defense enhancement in a couple of my characters, plus I used to make some money buying and selling them. All the bugs in this game, and they have to fix that one.
And if it means we have a harder time forming Hami raids in the future, then triple bleh.
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I think LaDiva was referring to the fact that Boosters can be used with IOs to replace (to some extent) the HOs that were being used before. Pretty sure LaDiva knows HOs can't be boosted. |
Originally Posted by _Inc__NA
Unfortunately, enhancement boosters can not be used on Hamidon enhancements. The best you can do is make it 50++ by combining them like you would a SO. I tried using one on a Cyto that i recently slotted in place of an enzyme in weave.
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I thought he meant boost a cyto, but i took a second look, and what you're saying makes more sense. I think the IO set dual enhancements are at like 15.4% at level 50. I don't know if boosting it really makes more sense than just putting in a cyto at 20%. What does that ~15 % turn into when you +5 boosted? i haven't boosted any defense IO's yet on my builds.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
I think LaDiva was referring to the fact that Boosters can be used with IOs to replace (to some extent) the HOs that were being used before. Pretty sure LaDiva knows HOs can't be boosted.
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You... buy recipies? |
Originally Posted by mauk2
Heh, same here.
In my favorite niches, I buy recipes in lots of 120. |
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A level 50 Def/something IO grants 15.9% defense enhancement. A +5 one is 1.25x stronger, so grants 19.875%, which is about 99% of the way to a Cyto's 20%. |
Originally Posted by _Inc__NA
I thought he meant boost a cyto, but i took a second look, and what you're saying makes more sense. I think the IO set dual enhancements are at like 15.4% at level 50. I don't know if boosting it really makes more sense than just putting in a cyto at 20%. What does that ~15 % turn into when you +5 boosted? i haven't boosted any defense IO's yet on my builds.
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However, you can make a Cyto +2, which makes it 1.10x as strong as normal, or 22%, of which the +5 IO is only about 90%.
And of course if you're lucky enough to have access to a level 51 or higher Cyto, you can get it to 53, which is 1.15x as strong as a 50 (23%), and of which the +5 IO is only about 86% as strong.
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Slight necro, but I just checked today and Mind Link/Vengeance have NOT been changed to allow recharge enhancements... So come Tuesday the Membrane slotted will no longer give recharge bonuses.
Yet another HO that serves no purpose now.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Membrane Exposures enhance both defense and to-hit, and don't Vengeance and Mind Link accept both defense buff and to-hit buff enhancements?
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Slight necro, but I just checked today and Mind Link/Vengeance have NOT been changed to allow recharge enhancements... So come Tuesday the Membrane slotted will no longer give recharge bonuses.
Yet another HO that serves no purpose now. |
From here:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=281919
We get this:
Enhancements
Hamidon, Synthetic Hamidon, Titan and Hydra Enhancements will no longer incorrectly enhance attributes other than those specified by the enhancement.
Took them long enough.
If yer sitting on enzymes, membranes, and the like, better move them fast.