Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows
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Posted on: 2011-12-21 12:23 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Both of the above^^^. He has his own special fighting style of martial arts, and after A Scandal in Bohemia, Holmes accepts Adler's autographed picture in lieu of payment from the king. It's suggested that he keeps it close to him. Whether as a memento to the time someone outright outwitted him, or for other more romantic reasons is purely an interpretation of the reader. And as such, she's been interpreted that way rather a lot.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Holmes is an accomplished boxer and a master of a particular martial art in the books. I believe he's supposed to be a decent fencer and handy with a pistol as well.
Irene Adler plays a major role in the story she's in, wherein it's intimated that she leaves a lasting impression on Holmes, at least. |
EDIT: Forgot--Holmes was known to refer to her as "The Woman."
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| To Sherlock Holmes she is always the woman. I have seldom heard him mention her under any other name. In his eyes she eclipses and predominates the whole of her sex. It was not that he felt any emotion akin to love for Irene Adler. All emotions, and that one particularly, were abhorrent to his cold, precise but admirably balanced mind. He was, I take it, the most perfect reasoning and observing machine that the world has seen, but as a lover he would have placed himself in a false position. He never spoke of the softer passions, save with a gibe and a sneer. They were admirable things for the observer — excellent for drawing the veil from men's motives and actions. But for the trained reasoner to admit such intrusions into his own delicate and finely adjusted temperament was to introduce a distracting factor which might throw a doubt upon all his mental results. Grit in a sensitive instrument, or a crack in one of his own high-power lenses, would not be more disturbing than a strong emotion in a nature such as his. And yet there was but one woman to him, and that woman was the late Irene Adler, of dubious and questionable memory. |
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Here you go, from Wikipedia:|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
1.) Holmes isn't a fighter/boxer like he's depicted in the movies
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Holmes is described as a formidable bare-knuckle fighter. In The Sign of the Four, Holmes introduces himself to a prize-fighter as:
"The amateur who fought three rounds with you at Alison's rooms on the night of your benefit four years back".
McMurdo responds by saying, "Ah, you're one that has wasted your gifts, you have! You might have aimed high, if you had joined the fancy".
Holmes engages in hand-to-hand combat with his adversaries on occasions throughout the stories, inevitably emerging the victor. It is mentioned also in "Gloria Scott" that Holmes trained as a boxer, and in "The Yellow Face" Watson comments that "he was undoubtedly one of the finest boxers of his weight that I have ever seen."
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
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That's right, it is mentioned in A Scandal in Bohemia that Irene Adler dies at some unchronicled point.*| and that woman was the late Irene Adler, of dubious and questionable memory. |
Here's an interesting comics tidbit: In Marvel Comics, Irene Adler goes on to become the blind supervillain Destiny. It is also strongly hinted that Sherlock Holmes was actually Mystique.
*Not really a spoiler since its on the first paragraph of the story in which Irene Adler first appears.
I saw it back the weekend it came out. I found it a decent enough movie, but inferior to the first one. It felt like it was an attempt to turn everything to '11'. There was too much random silliness, and too much slo-mo action.
However the acting and dialog were still good, and I do agree the villains were quite well done.
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I saw the movie today. Overall I liked it. I recently re-read a volume of Holmes stories (free on Kindle) and I think they did a good job of adapting the canon.
The one thing I did not care for was Irene getting fridged. She was too good a character to be thrown away so casually. I know some people are playing up the ambiguity of her death (technically we only hear Moriarity's account of it), but I can't imagine that he had her in his clutches and let her slip away, or that if he was holding her as a hostage he wouldn't have used her as leverage against Holmes. Her death isn't a certainty but it's the way to bet; I think any attempt to use her in a subsequent film would be not very credible.
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baritsu, suspected to be a misspelling on doyle's part of Bartitsu, a mixture of boxing, savate, jujutsu and weapon styles that would be practical at the time that had very modest popularity in the around 1900 in london. funnily enough, it was basically MMA with a weapon component. also mentioned in the abney park song "Victorian vigilante"
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Holmes is an accomplished boxer and a master of a particular martial art in the books. I believe he's supposed to be a decent fencer and handy with a pistol as well.
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Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Venture
The one thing I did not care for was Irene getting fridged. She was too good a character to be thrown away so casually. I know some people are playing up the ambiguity of her death (technically we only hear Moriarity's account of it), but I can't imagine that he had her in his clutches and let her slip away, or that if he was holding her as a hostage he wouldn't have used her as leverage against Holmes. Her death isn't a certainty but it's the way to bet; I think any attempt to use her in a subsequent film would be not very credible.
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Well to be fair in the story that featured her, A Scandal in Bohemia, she was offed off-screen on the first paragraph even though she ultimately left an impression on the fans.
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Originally Posted by Venture
The one thing I did not care for was Irene getting fridged.
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Seeing as how her death didn't seem to be a big motivational move for Holmes or big character developing moment, was it fridging?|
Originally Posted by Venture
I saw the movie today. Overall I liked it. I recently re-read a volume of Holmes stories (free on Kindle) and I think they did a good job of adapting the canon.
The one thing I did not care for was Irene getting fridged. She was too good a character to be thrown away so casually. I know some people are playing up the ambiguity of her death (technically we only hear Moriarity's account of it), but I can't imagine that he had her in his clutches and let her slip away, or that if he was holding her as a hostage he wouldn't have used her as leverage against Holmes. Her death isn't a certainty but it's the way to bet; I think any attempt to use her in a subsequent film would be not very credible. |
He was already set in his actions to begin with. Her death didn't seem to be fridging at all, and just a death.
He grabbed for her hankercheif, then let it go later. For it to be a fridging it must motivate him to do something. As he was already motivated in doing all that he was doing to begin with, I don't think the term applies.
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The only indication that she is dead is the use of the word "late". That's pretty thin soup.| Well to be fair in the story that featured her, A Scandal in Bohemia, she was offed off-screen on the first paragraph even though she ultimately left an impression on the fans. |
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| Seeing as how her death didn't seem to be a big motivational move for Holmes or big character developing moment, was it fridging? |
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| He grabbed for her hankercheif, then let it go later. |
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Originally Posted by Venture
The only indication that she is dead is the use of the word "late". That's pretty thin soup.
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Her death isn't a certainty but it's the way to bet; I think any attempt for Conan Doyle to have used her in a subsequent story (other than a reference to the past adventure) would be not very credible. Of course....he did just that with Holmes in The Adventure of the Empty House, who also was offed offscreen in The Final Problem.
Great, you've caused me to go to The Evil Site and now I'm beginning to think that a case of executive meddling led to sudden sequel kick the disposable woman and stuff her in the fridge syndrome.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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It's been a while since I read Holmes, but wasn't Irene's death mentioned in Watson's setup narration? That narration is set well after the story itself, which could leave a large gap before her implied demise. Plenty of time to meet Holmes again.|
Originally Posted by Innovator
And I paraphrase...
Her death isn't a certainty but it's the way to bet; I think any attempt for Conan Doyle to have used her in a subsequent story (other than a reference to the past adventure) would be not very credible. |
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Even though I always thought Shelock Holmes was an interesting character, like some here...Ive never read any of the books either (always been more of a fantasy novels type guy). That said, I enjoyed the movies and will probably grab one of the novels before heading overseas again.
ps - more times than not, I have been disappointed seeing a movie and having read the source material beforehand...not many movies do very well compared to the real deal
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