DFB needs an XP taper.

It's not impossible at all. Indeed, I join the LFG queue solo all the time and even manage to get into events from time to time despite the plethora of jerks pre-forming teams before queueing in. Forming a full team before queueing makes the queueing system pointless - it may as well just be a TF contact if people are going to do that.

ditto....

this is a joke right?

Every time I see comments like this I can't help but think that the real reason the person is mad about pre-forming teams before joining the queue is that the team leaders don't want that person on their teams.

You can think that if you like. When I bother to respond to their broadcasted LFMs, though, I get invited (provided I've remembered to take myself out of the queue, since being in the queue nonsensically prevents being invited). But doing so depends on far less convenient things than just being in the queue, ergo it'd be nice if people weren't actively destroying said convenience, particularly in the case of the DfB trial which depends less on team construction for success than the iTrials.

The devs looked at all the problems and complaints the random queuing was causing and wisely added the closed leagues feature. Kvetch and moan about it all you like but players have a right to control who they team with.

In which case they should have just deep-sixed the feature. Or compromised and made it so that there was always at least one random slot open in a league. Given the choice of killing the unique usefulness of a feature due to complaints or preserving the unique usefulness of a feature due to complaints, the latter is the better option.

Go to a different zone, don't read the channel being spammed, go do your own thing. Nobody's holding you down and forcing you.

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I have. I have encountered characters at lvl 14 and 22 asking how to get missions other than DFB

And I encountered a low 40's PB that didn't know what enhancements were for or how to slot them about a month after the AE went live. This was back when the level cap on EAT's was still 50.

It's a hell of a lot easier to PL to 50 using the AE legitimately than it is the DfB and the game and player quality have been doing just fine for years.

The OP needs to get over his DfB paranoia, get his butt out of Atlas Park, and pay less attention to the Help channel. Oh and if he's a free player he needs to cough up the cash to get himself access to global channels and join a few of them, where he'll meet more experienced groups of players.

I will take your word for it, however that seems a poor excuse for having a mission that encourages people to endlessly repeat content rather than explore the rest of the game.

I would also add that the difference would seem to me that the couple of people I have met that were endlessly repeating the DfB were doing so because they didn't know what else to do. Which is a little different from people PLing the AE.

Jagged you do realize that we've been running the same content over and over for years. There is very little in this game that is one shot, never repeatable content.

Orobouros was specifically designed to repeat content.
The AE was specifically designed to repeat player made content.
TF's have always been repeatable content.
Trials are repeatable content.
Raids are repeatable content.
Incarnate Trials are repeatable content.
Zone Events are repeatable content.
GM's are repeatable content.

As to the players that are endlessly repeating DfB's, who cares. There will always be twits that do that in every MMO. The problem isn't with the game it's with the player. They have tunnelvision. They focus on one thing and ignore everything else. That's a personality quirk. If they weren't doing DfB's they'd be doing AE missions, or sitting in Oro, or begging for PL's/farms.

As long as they aren't breaking any rules or abusing any exploits we have no right telling them their preferred playstyle is wrong.

Now if someone wants to be a good player they can try to entice them into trying other aspects of the game. If not mind they should mind their own damn business. There is no wrong way to play the game.

I agree in theory but not in practice.

The outliers of behaviour do damage the game, people burn out and leave, cry there's not enough content, damage the economy, cause nerfs that effect "normal" play etc etc. If you want to argue that all the mechanics to stop "wrong play" should be removed, like Marty and reward cool downs and ambush nerfs then go ahead.

Nor do I feel comparing DfB to AE is a great defense. The Devs haven't stopped AE PLing but I am pretty sure that if they found a way they would.

There is reason, usually get's you above level 10 if you want to collect all 4 temp powers.

Also, red side I level my newbies up to ~15 through DFB, since there is no level 10 SF in the Isles. My Heroes stop after hitting level 10.

That type of player burns out anyway. They make a habit of hopping from game to game.

Now I have to admit I find it amusing that your argument is that the DfB should be nerfed because you claim the "Outliers" cause nerfs.

Lame supposition that ignores the point.

Followed by strawman. Have fun combing the thread looking for where I said it should be nerfed.

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It's not a supposition it's a fact. There are thousands of players that get burnt out of playing particular games after a few months and rotate thru a series of games. Some come back and some don't.

Are you saying that you are not arguing in support of the OP's suggestion? Because the OP's suggestion is a nerf to the DfB, so I don't have to comb the thread looking for where you personally said it should be nerfed, You are agreeing to it in another persons post.

That's the problem with your argumentative nature right there. So busy dividing the thread into two sides you can't afford the time to read what people are saying, quicker to just tell them what they think and argue against that.

I was interested in this thread because I've been bumping into peope who just cycle DfB with increasing frequency and I do believe its a problem. I don't know the best solution so I hadn't suggested any.

So well done, due to your "arguments" I have moved from partially agreeing with you to the position that if there has to be two sides to this thread I am on whatever side your arent.

Good. I'm glad I was able to help you pick a side. However I'd just like to point out that by admitting that you're motivation for supporting the OP on this topic is because I'm disagreeing with him, will only cause any devs reading this thread to ignore your opinion.

Only if the devs in question are complete idiots who disregard points out-of-hand regardless of their individual validity. For even the Devil's advocate may have a valid point.

I have yet to see a valid point anywhere in this thread, on either side.