Quote:
*****
|
Originally Posted by Fugacity
Much ado about nothing, really. Consider...
How often do MSR's happen on Exalted? Twice a week for about an hour each(unless cancelled, which has happened a lot during this holiday season). How often do iTrials happen on Exalted? Any hour of the day, seven days a week, at least when people willing to lead the iTrials are logged in. I don't see a problem with having iTrials form in RWZ, especially considering that only about 2 hours out of 168 hours, that's a whopping 1.2% of available game time per week, MSR's happen. Besides, when an MSR does form, many players(myself included) join it to help, either on our 50+ Incarnate toon, or on our alts. So to reiterate: Much ado about nothing. If iTrial leaders choose to form in Pocket D, players will migrate there because that's where the action they're seeking is. If iTrial leaders choose to continue forming in RWZ, then players will stay there because that's where the action they're seeking is. It's really not as big of an issue as it has been made out to be in this thread. |
Quote:
Why not Galaxy City?|
Originally Posted by Obsidian_Light
I understand that because RWZ is a co-op zone, a lot of other servers use it as their itrial location.
But, with the presence of a weekly run (if not impromptu) Mothership Raids, the fact that the LGTF is formed up in the same area, why haven't we taken an area that is a ghost town (Pocket D) and used that (almost) exclusively for itrial formations? The last iTrial I was on, there was some serious anger being flung around because a MSR was close to being formed up, and there was going to be the problem of one RWZ being full and a second being opened, so forth and so on. Pocket D is dead on Exalted. If iTrial formations were moved to that zone, no one would have to worry about the 'omgbbqsuace' problem of one event getting in the way of another. Thoughts? |
It's dead, not overrun by lowbies, has a hospital, an arena for inspies, etc.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
Quote:
That's right, who needs villains anyway?
|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Why not Galaxy City?
It's dead, not overrun by lowbies, has a hospital, an arena for inspies, etc. |
'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
Quote:
Well... |
Originally Posted by Aneko
That's right, who needs villains anyway?
|
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
Quote:
This |
Originally Posted by Fugacity
Much ado about nothing, really. Consider...
How often do MSR's happen on Exalted? Twice a week for about an hour each(unless cancelled, which has happened a lot during this holiday season). How often do iTrials happen on Exalted? Any hour of the day, seven days a week, at least when people willing to lead the iTrials are logged in. I don't see a problem with having iTrials form in RWZ, especially considering that only about 2 hours out of 168 hours, that's a whopping 1.2% of available game time per week, MSR's happen. Besides, when an MSR does form, many players(myself included) join it to help, either on our 50+ Incarnate toon, or on our alts. So to reiterate: Much ado about nothing. If iTrial leaders choose to form in Pocket D, players will migrate there because that's where the action they're seeking is. If iTrial leaders choose to continue forming in RWZ, then players will stay there because that's where the action they're seeking is. It's really not as big of an issue as it has been made out to be in this thread. |
I have played this weekend from Thursday to Sunday and I have yet to see an iTrial interfere with a MSR
"I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams." Aunt May SM2
i dreamed a dream, but now that dream is gone...good bye Paragon
Forming in RWZ allows for Pylon soloing while waiting.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
Pocket D makes sense to me - and with the Winter event happening now I'm even more surprised it's not happening - but certainly a couple of crafting tables in PD would be a bonus anyhow.
Thelonious Monk
Pocket D, a cross faction zone with easy access back to crafting and selling zones on either side, simply makes more sense to me, then choking the walking area around Lady Grey and stopping people from running LGTF, MSR's and even the new task forces for Tin Mage and Apex Task forces get ran less because of the crowd in RWZ spamming the broadcast with LFM or LFG messages regarding Incarnate Trials.
By forming the Incarnate trials in the much more spacious Pocket D, you avoid the choke problems in the hall there, you avoid distracting from existing content, and you make for a better environment for the game in general.
It isn't a BIG deal, but it is a small quality of life improvement we as the players can give to each other! Let's get together on this and make it happen. No one should ever have to leave the RWZ for another instance to do the things in RWZ that it was intended for, like mothership raids, and task forces based there, and this has happened due to iTrials hanger ons refusing to head out to a different instance when a MSR was scheduled for example. It isn't a matter of "I was here first" it is a matter of the RWZ being designed for the things in RWZ, and not as an impromptu waiting gallery for you...
ESPECIALLY if you insist on standing RIGHT in the hallway... instead of say anywhere else in the zone. You can't stand in the briefing room off to the side there, while you wait, so people can pass without having to hop around you.
Sometimes, especially with certain masterminds, I think it is fun for them to try and choke the hall as much as possible. It is REALLY frustrating when I have a timed mission in the RWZ and I die, and have to run through the gamut of players waiting on iTrial attendees just to get back toward my mission...
As it stands there isn't a standard zone for iTrials, until they unite the Oroborous into a co-op zone I doubt there will be such a zone, BUT, right now, Pocket D, with it's much vaster floor space, equates out to a better venue in my opinion as you are not, outside of holiday events, stepping on anyone's toes by being there...
Elvnsword
"when i can savagely beat sheep while issuing ultimatums and torturing people, then i may go back into it" -vara nocturne
Not enough Evil...
I take it back NC SOFT is enough evil for anyone...
Quote:
What you have said about iTrials preventing players from running Task Forces and MSR's is demonstrably untrue. As I stated in my previous post, MSR's happen about 1.2% of the time on Exalted in any given week, it's simply a non-issue. I've formed and been on multiple Apex, Tin Mage, and Lady Grey TF's while iTrials were being formed in the same zone...again, it's a non-issue.|
Originally Posted by elvnsword09
Pocket D, a cross faction zone with easy access back to crafting and selling zones on either side, simply makes more sense to me, then choking the walking area around Lady Grey and stopping people from running LGTF, MSR's and even the new task forces for Tin Mage and Apex Task forces get ran less because of the crowd in RWZ spamming the broadcast with LFM or LFG messages regarding Incarnate Trials.
|
If you feel that these TF's and MSR's are not being run often enough, then I suggest that you should take some initiative and form them yourself. Then you will see what nonsense this entire subject of one zone vs. the other really is. If, on the other hand, you're the kind of player who sits around hoping and dreaming that someone else will start up whatever TF or event that you would like to do, well, having Exalted move the iTrials to Pocket D will have no effect on your problem.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by elvnsword09
It isn't a BIG deal...
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by elvnsword09
Sometimes, especially with certain masterminds, I think it is fun for them to try and choke the hall as much as possible. It is REALLY frustrating when I have a timed mission in the RWZ and I die, and have to run through the gamut of players waiting on iTrial attendees just to get back toward my mission...
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by elvnsword09
As it stands there isn't a standard zone for iTrials...
|
If I had my druthers, RWZ is a good place to form up, because of the crafting tables and what-not, there. But, NOT when a ship raid is scheduled. And, yes, I was there when someone was trying to form up an itrial at the same time that the regular ship raid was scheduled. From now on, I'll avoid any itrial league forming in RWZ that does that again. We need the activities on the server, and if we can avoid event conflicts, all the better, so we can get more people involved with the scheduled events. Certainly, an itrial can wait a mere 30 minutes to form up if they absolutely insist upon forming up in RWZ, or form up the league in Pocket D.
Help others around the world for free!
City of Villains New User Guide and Helpful Tips
Can use the Midnighters club. You can sell there, but cant craft. If you need to craft, ask for a Invention table to be spawned or hit Steel canyon for crafting and WW access(fairly close) unless you load slow.
Largest and Most Active Group on Exalted! Daily Teams, events, raids, trials, task/strike forces! /chanjoin OOCIC - 7Servers, 20bases, 8 bases in top 100! - We have ventrilo and forums!
Or we could just stay in RWZ and deal with it on the few rare occasions it becomes an issue
"I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams." Aunt May SM2
i dreamed a dream, but now that dream is gone...good bye Paragon
Quote:
signed. |
Originally Posted by SilverPharaoh
Or we could just stay in RWZ and deal with it on the few rare occasions it becomes an issue
|
No reason to reinvent the wheel when its all going to move to DA in a few months anyway.
Then RWZ can be empty again and people can stand around LG and Tin and Apex and wonder where all the people went that used to join a TF as a trial break.
"If a system can be exploited, it will be exploited. And if a developer thinks their system cannot be exploited, it'll be exploited like a new actress in her first porn movie." Sanya Weather MMORPG Examiner
Exactly...I'm in RWZ right now forming up for a BAF...guess what's not forming...MSR
"I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams." Aunt May SM2
i dreamed a dream, but now that dream is gone...good bye Paragon
Quote:
I approve this message.
|
Originally Posted by SilverPharaoh
Or we could just stay in RWZ and deal with it on the few rare occasions it becomes an issue
|
Kill the enemy. Take their souls. Drink their blood.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Pocket D makes sense to me - and with the Winter event happening now I'm even more surprised it's not happening - but certainly a couple of crafting tables in PD would be a bonus anyhow.
|
This I agree with. Not that I wouldn't like to see DA and Boomtown get revamped into something co-op and, you know, useful? However what would it hurt to have a row of 3-4 crafting stations and a generic Vendor in the place off in the corners? Easier to do that than build some elitist ITrial or MSR-only sort of thing.
"Comics, you're not a Mastermind...you're an Overlord!"
Well they are also adding solo incarnate stuff so you can get iSalvage without having to iTrial or wait for people to come online. So why move to PD when it's all just gonna move to DA here in a few?
"I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams." Aunt May SM2
i dreamed a dream, but now that dream is gone...good bye Paragon
Quote:
Or so you assume.
|
Originally Posted by SilverPharaoh
So why move to PD when it's all just gonna move to DA here in a few?
|
'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
I suppose it's possible that not many people are aware of this yet, but there's this nifty new feature called "chat to league leader" available.
Would it be too much work for a MSR league leader to courteously message an itrial league leader and politely ask them if they could move their itrials into PD while the raid is going on if it's interfering?
Personally, if I was leading an itrial and someone msg'd me saying some of their members couldn't get in for a MSR since the zone is full, could we please move over to PD so they can run their MSR... I'd be like, "sure, no problem" and let my leaguemates know we're moving and why.
On the other hand, if some jackhole is gonna spout off disrespectfully in broadcast, tells (or even here on the forums) etc., telling me that I should be forming in Pocket D or shouldn't use RWZ for whatever reason they feel is justified, I'll gladly notify them that unless they plan on paying my sub (and quite possibly even still), I will continue to form whatever I wish, wherever I like, and there's not a **** thing they can do about it aside from joining my /ignore list and becoming irrelevant in every way, shape and form possible.
What this entire thread generally boils down to is, folks on both sides are not being courteous to or respecting others' rights within the game.
The fact that MSRs can only be formed in RWZ does not give those who participate in them exclusive access to the zone whenever they wish, in any way, shape or form.
The fact that itrials are run far more frequently than MSRs does not give those who participate in them exclusive access to the zone at all times. (and it really shouldn't be a problem to give up the zone a few hours a week to allow others to run larger events like the MSR, especially since itrials dominate the zone 94% of the time)
The fact that players in general (including those who also do MSRs) favor pre-forming full-league itrials rather than using the LFG-Q is the main reason there is even an issue in the first place.
Forum Troll Forum Troll what color may they be, always offense, always screaming at me...
Misquoting my argument, gotta prove me wrong, can't let any logic pass by they're loud screaming song!
forum troll forum troll scream scream scream...
-----------------------------------------------------------------
In short, you all stopped making valid points 2 pages ago. You have been screaming the same argument echoing each other for 2 pages. When your ready to address the fact that everyone has a base, WITH A CRAFTING TABLE, (invalidating the crafting table argument), everyone has access to stores in Pocket D, and personal storage vaults, easy access to zones with Black Market or Wentworths... AND Pocket D doesn't have major Zone Events, or Task Forces in the zone to interfere with (even if it is 1% of the time, a percentage you CAME UP WITH cause I highly doubt you have access to the studio's data mining software...).
All in all, so long as 1 ONE person has a base with a craft table, you have access to it, and boom your SOLE valid argument is moot.
Now, as for this, misquoting and taking people out of context stuff... Stop it.
Your doing it on purpose, and it does nothing but make you look argumentative and juvenile. I would expect this behavior out of kids, or politicians, not Gamers, we are a community, let's treat each other like it!
"when i can savagely beat sheep while issuing ultimatums and torturing people, then i may go back into it" -vara nocturne
Not enough Evil...
I take it back NC SOFT is enough evil for anyone...
Drats!
Out mature'd again by Rhyme Tyme and the Caps-Lock Gang!
Git along, Rational Argument! Git Along!
Quote:
so, does that include your own post on the last page? or are you saying nobody in the thread has made a valid point except you? those are both rhetorical questions, in case you were wondering. I really don't have any intent to see if you respond or even revisit this thread again. |
Originally Posted by elvnsword09
In short, you all stopped making valid points 2 pages ago.
|
The "argument" as you put it, is moot. itrials will continue to form in rwz regardless, as there's no benefit to itrial members for forming them in any other location.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by elvnsword09
Forum Troll Forum Troll what color may they be, always offense, always screaming at me...
Misquoting my argument, gotta prove me wrong, can't let any logic pass by they're loud screaming song! forum troll forum troll scream scream scream... ----------------------------------------------------------------- does nothing but make you look argumentative and juvenile. I would expect this behavior out of kids, or politicians, not Gamers, we are a community, let's treat each other like it! |
OK James let's not get crazy.....would depend on exactly WHERE in the shard. lol