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1. They form where the leaders go to form them. Which is RWZ.|
Originally Posted by Obsidian_Light
I understand that because RWZ is a co-op zone, a lot of other servers use it as their itrial location.
But, with the presence of a weekly run (if not impromptu) Mothership Raids, the fact that the LGTF is formed up in the same area, why haven't we taken an area that is a ghost town (Pocket D) and used that (almost) exclusively for itrial formations? The last iTrial I was on, there was some serious anger being flung around because a MSR was close to being formed up, and there was going to be the problem of one RWZ being full and a second being opened, so forth and so on. Pocket D is dead on Exalted. If iTrial formations were moved to that zone, no one would have to worry about the 'omgbbqsuace' problem of one event getting in the way of another. Thoughts? |
2. You can craft and sell in RWZ. You cannot craft in Pocket D.
3. OMG there is BBQ Sauce in Pocket D?.
4. RWZ in more interesting with more to do between trial runs.
5. There are not that many PUG shipraids. There are 2 standing raid times already, 1 sun and 1 Thurs.
6. Because we like being different.
7. RWZ's has easier access to Atlas, where lots of people use the AH and be social.
8. Nobody really gets in the way of anyone else.
9. Just cause (insert server here) does it that way doesn't mean we have to.
10. And last but not least. Because RWZ would be a ghost town if we didn't.
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Never seen an issue with MSR and itrials
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Whenever I lead iTrials, I always run them in Pocket D. I.m considerate to others that try to run MSR/lgtf/apex/tin mage/ other future events that will be happening in the RWZ dec. 27-30th. Like me using my public channel my SG runs for the winter event we're hosting to eliminate the clutter of chatter from the event on the productive channels of exalted. Anyway, back the topic. I will have a problem with the itrial leader when MSR is forming/in process off. The zone is not big enough, for a full league and a itrial. Even though the trial leader usually rage quits and moves on when the MSR fills the zone. This has happened ever since I started weekly raids on sundays. Usually encounter 1, 2 trials a week.
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Personally, I agree with you. I find it inconsiderate to form Incarnate trials in the Rikti War Zone. It makes it more difficult for people to form or find teams for the other tasks that the Rikti War Zone was actually designed for, such as the Lady Grey Task Force and Rikti mothership raids.|
Originally Posted by Obsidian_Light
I understand that because RWZ is a co-op zone, a lot of other servers use it as their itrial location.
But, with the presence of a weekly run (if not impromptu) Mothership Raids, the fact that the LGTF is formed up in the same area, why haven't we taken an area that is a ghost town (Pocket D) and used that (almost) exclusively for itrial formations? The last iTrial I was on, there was some serious anger being flung around because a MSR was close to being formed up, and there was going to be the problem of one RWZ being full and a second being opened, so forth and so on. Pocket D is dead on Exalted. If iTrial formations were moved to that zone, no one would have to worry about the 'omgbbqsuace' problem of one event getting in the way of another. Thoughts? |
When I first began forming Incarnate trials on Exalted, I formed them in Pocket D, for the exact same reasons you mentioned. However, they took over a half hour to form on average because people had to be coaxed to leave the Rikti War Zone and go to Pocket D, and half the league would ***** and moan about my forming the trial in Pocket D instead of in the Rikti War Zone, because they couldn't sell stuff. After a couple of weeks of this, I gave up. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
What it comes down to is that people are lazy. Rikti War Zone has stores where you can sell stuff, Pocket D does not. So even though it is inconsiderate of other players and makes it more difficult for people to form or find teams for the other asks that the Rikti War Zone was actually designed for, that's where people want to form Incarnate trials.
So, now people just have to put up with trying to find or form trials around Lady Grey Task Forces and Rikti mothership raids, while Matt and I just have to put up with trying to form Rikti mothership raids around trials. As frustrating as it is for trial leagues when there's a Rikti mothership raid going on, it's as frustrating for me leading a Rikti mothership raid. For instance, someone joined a Rikti mothership raid I lead on Saturday, thinking it was a new Incarnate trial. :\ It took about five minutes for people to make him realize that it was not an Incarnate trial, then he promptly quit. Then there were people trying to form an Incarnate trial in the zone during the mothership raid, only there were about 40 people on the raid, and not enough room in zone to form an Incarnate trial there, so people had to direct them to try to form it in Rikti War Zone 2.
It's aggravating, and inconsiderate, but like I said, people are lazy. You can't beat that. I've tried, and lost.
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actually, its not. It really just depends on where you moved from and what was done there. On Pinn, 99% of things formed up on one global channel, so it was just easier to use RWZ. It didn't interfere with anything because the TFs and Shipraids were formed out of the same channel.|
Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
It's aggravating, and inconsiderate, but like I said, people are lazy. You can't beat that. I've tried, and lost. |
On other servers, which are not so tied to a single global channel. a standard gathering spot is more helpful for finding more people. Exalted is stuck in between population levels so people use a combination of both to form leagues.
Changing it is not hard. Start forming leagues out of the global channel in pocket D. Do it steady for a month and people will follow you there. They will go where the leaders go.
If you form it. They will come.
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See, I guess this is the Freedom Elitist in me talking, because Freedom standardly uses Pocket D for iTrial formations (there's also ten crap tons of channels on Freedom). No one really complains about the inability to sell, because they'll just run to Talos Island or Port Oaks to take care of that selling issue, then return to the D for more iTrial fun.
I find it highly inconsiderate of us who form iTrials on top oof those wanting to run MSR/LGTF/Apex/Tin Mage.
I, for one, am going to start forming my iTrials in Pocket D, just so that's 16+ less people crowding RWZ.
I don't have a problem taking a few minute break in between trials, so people can run off and sell.
And, in my mind, if you REALLY have to craft something, I'll be more than happy to give you access to my base to do it, as I'm sure others wouldn't mind doing the same.
And it's not that i'm trying to single handedly CHANGE how things are already run, though it may sound like that, but I was there when Celestial Lord was running that MSR, and no one should HAVE TO change zone instances because a bunch of iTrial campers are standing around with their thumbs up their bums waiting for someone to broadcast the next iTrial on the chopping block.
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I have never seen a iTrial gathering interfere with a MSR...infact all I have see is that it helps it. Considering how you have a pool of 50s,+1,+2 and +3 who may want to do something different that the same 3 trials all the time.
I have seen trial teams fall apart the moment someone say MSR
I just see a fundamental wrongness in wanting to move people out of a zone they use 24/7 for a raid that runs maybe twice a week.
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Also, I've seen people not be able to get into the zone for a MSR because of trials/TFs attempting to form.|
Originally Posted by SilverPharaoh
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I have seen trial teams fall apart the moment someone say MSR ... |
I'm suspecting or hoping that all of this is a moot point once I22 is released with the newly revamped DA incarnate zone (hopefully the new gathering place for all incarnate trial goodness and hopefully with all the amenities provided in RWZ).
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Originally Posted by Heavenly Perverse
Ever heard of rwz2? Use it.
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Hard to use RWZ 2 when it only spawns when RWZ 1 is completely full.
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Not everyone wants to do a MotherShip Raid. I say we move the MotherShip raid to Pocket D. I'll turn Pocket D into another Men in Black Movie to bust some moves to DJ Zero's tracks of Will Smith!
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Originally Posted by SilverPharaoh
I have never seen a iTrial gathering interfere with a MSR...infact all I have see is that it helps it. Considering how you have a pool of 50s,+1,+2 and +3 who may want to do something different that the same 3 trials all the time.
I have seen trial teams fall apart the moment someone say MSR I just see a fundamental wrongness in wanting to move people out of a zone they use 24/7 for a raid that runs maybe twice a week. |
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Unless the revamped Dark Astoria becomes a co-op zone, not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by Asgardian_Blade
Also, I've seen people not be able to get into the zone for a MSR because of trials/TFs attempting to form.
I'm suspecting or hoping that all of this is a moot point once I22 is released with the newly revamped DA incarnate zone (hopefully the new gathering place for all incarnate trial goodness and hopefully with all the amenities provided in RWZ). |
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Unless the Devs decide they really DO hate villains and want to show it in spectacular fashion, I can't see new DA NOT being a co-op zone.
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
Unless the revamped Dark Astoria becomes a co-op zone, not going to happen.
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They were asked about it directly, and specifically said it will be co-op in a uStream chat back in November.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Unless the Devs decide they really DO hate villains and want to show it in spectacular fashion, I can't see new DA NOT being a co-op zone.
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When Incarnate trials were new, we did use Pocket D on Champion at first. It was the people who had to have all the amenities as conveniently-placed as possible who started running them from RWZ, which is why they insisted on grouping right in front of Lady Grey, too.
I remember suggesting Cimerora as an alternative once, but was told it was too hard to get to. <.<
In any case, I support a return to Pocket D for trial staging. I'm not that lazy.
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On Justice, iTrials always form in Pocket D. I guess we're just weird.
The ability to instantly teleport to the tiki lounge from anyplace seems more convenient than having a store or a crafting table.
As previously mentioned, Port Oakes is very convenient to get to the Black Market from Pocket D, and Talos is not bad. And that's just for people who don't already have /ah. If someone simply must craft in Pocket D, in a room full of incarnates there is bound to be someone with a portable workbench.
It might be difficult to change the culture of a server, but I suspect that some of the smaller iTrial runs could still be formed just out of people willing to come to Pocket D.
clicking buttons to go to a zone to sell is sooooooo harrrrrdddddddd.
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it is. as a RWZ supporter I don't think its really gonna matter soon.
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Originally Posted by Cherry Cupcakes
clicking buttons to go to a zone to sell is sooooooo harrrrrdddddddd.
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As a RWZ supporter for i-trials, I find it a huge convenience being able to quit a i-trial league and join any of the other TFs or ship raid. I often log a character I intend to take on a ship raid early, do a TFs or trial(s), then go directly to the raid. On servers with a large population, Tin Mage/Apex TFs are seldom posted in the global channels, since they can easily post local, fill the team and start in a minute or less, and its all because the people are already there. At the other end of this, is it rude that DFBs are formed in Atlas instead of KR?
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Don't see the point, DFBs don't interfere with Raids, and TFs in that particular zone.
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Originally Posted by ResplendentMs
is it rude that DFBs are formed in Atlas instead of KR?
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It might be nice if everyone didn't loiter around Ms. Liberty, though.
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Originally Posted by Its_Me_Matt
Don't see the point, DFBs don't interfere with Raids, and TFs in that particular zone.
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Much ado about nothing, really. Consider...
How often do MSR's happen on Exalted? Twice a week for about an hour each(unless cancelled, which has happened a lot during this holiday season).
How often do iTrials happen on Exalted? Any hour of the day, seven days a week, at least when people willing to lead the iTrials are logged in.
I don't see a problem with having iTrials form in RWZ, especially considering that only about 2 hours out of 168 hours, that's a whopping 1.2% of available game time per week, MSR's happen. Besides, when an MSR does form, many players(myself included) join it to help, either on our 50+ Incarnate toon, or on our alts.
So to reiterate: Much ado about nothing.
If iTrial leaders choose to form in Pocket D, players will migrate there because that's where the action they're seeking is. If iTrial leaders choose to continue forming in RWZ, then players will stay there because that's where the action they're seeking is.
It's really not as big of an issue as it has been made out to be in this thread.
I wasnt even aware you could form Itrials in RWZ lol on Union they ALL happen in PD there is nothing inconvenient about it. I actually laughed reading through this thread, people moaning because they can't sell in PD? What exactly do they need to sell? That is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. LOL
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recipes, SO drops, salvage, crafted enhancements. all the usual things. lots of people just don't like having to base hop or zone to do it. |
Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
I wasnt even aware you could form Itrials in RWZ lol on Union they ALL happen in PD there is nothing inconvenient about it. I actually laughed reading through this thread, people moaning because they can't sell in PD? What exactly do they need to sell? That is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. LOL
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Like I said before. Run you own leagues where you want. If people like how you lead they will follow you even if you decide to stage in the shadow shard.
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I understand that because RWZ is a co-op zone, a lot of other servers use it as their itrial location.
But, with the presence of a weekly run (if not impromptu) Mothership Raids, the fact that the LGTF is formed up in the same area, why haven't we taken an area that is a ghost town (Pocket D) and used that (almost) exclusively for itrial formations?
The last iTrial I was on, there was some serious anger being flung around because a MSR was close to being formed up, and there was going to be the problem of one RWZ being full and a second being opened, so forth and so on.
Pocket D is dead on Exalted.
If iTrial formations were moved to that zone, no one would have to worry about the 'omgbbqsuace' problem of one event getting in the way of another.
Thoughts?
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