Going TW/DA

Yep, TW/DA. Two massive end eaters. But DA is remarkably click free (just click once your heal), and allows for a slower pace of slaughter due to a non-end costing stun. TOE +END plus tons of recov ios can make up for cost of end. I see it being somewhat less clicky than elec, and getting more for its money out of +softcapped melee and 35%ish ranged def. If I have to, I can always just get cardiac.

4 perf shifters? Wow. Yeah, I am running the 4 oblits, but one is in death shroud or whatever, and 3 are in the actual pbaoe attacks in the set. Defsweep runs erad, and the heal runs toe +end +acc/rech, plus 4spot of erad. I am running a lyso in def sweep plus a 7.5 rech, along with end redux targeted erad. Unfortunately, my 3 st attacks are slotted with makos bites.... I just noticed they have very low end boost as well. That is juse 45%ish end redux on makos bite after boosting. Oblits are a paltry ~20% after boosting. I really don't want to run cardiac, but instead the one that gives 27% resist at t4. What kind of layouts would be good maximising both ranged def and melee def, specifically?

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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus My opinion is that you will have no choice but cardiac. On the Beta server I tooled around with a TW/WP Brute with QR, Stamina, Superior Conditioning, Physical Perfection, and T4 Agility Core - and I still ran out of end frequently. (That's 4 perf shifter procs, numi proc & miracle proc - QR & Stamina 3 to 4 slotted). Granted I had 6 piece Obliteration sets in the PBAoEs (I wanted to see if it was sustainable, Oblits have +rech and +1.88% SM/L Def) Now, if you have a low rech build, and you franken slot your AoEs with Eradications/Cleaving Blows (which isn't a bad idea, since energy damage is one of your weak points) - you might be able to get away without it - but I really think Cardiac is the best option here.

Just rolled my TW/DA last night.

I plan on being end sustainable without incarnate goodies. Erads will help.

I plan to forgo building defense this time around and go for recharge and damage where I can.

I'm glad to see other people finally considering TW/DA. I ran on Virtue off an on last night working up my own that I've been waiting to build on live since it hit Test, and not once did I see another Titan Weapon + Dark Armor amongst the throng of new characters swarming the three Atlas's. A lot of Willpower though, shame.

TW/DA doesn't seem that bad, i did some testing after PLing my tw/da brute and dropping about 1500 incarnate threads on him, with mostly Obliterations in the AoE (and overall bad end red on most powers), i'll rely on the agility alpha (or whatever is the english name) with 45% end mod, 33% rech and 20% defense, as well as the endurance destiny buff, it seems lighter on endurance than my spines/dark so most likely to be a lot more sustainable.

That said, my standard for endurance is quite bad as i don't aim for soloing AVs with no insps, at some point my spines/dark spent more end/sec than she could recover while sitting idle, thanks to the great amount of toggles... so the destiny buff alone was enough. On the TW/DA i have about 1 end/sec recovery after all the toggles (and i run a ton of them, including CoF, tough, weave, maneuvers..) so i consider that good enough, with a few blues if needed for long fights.

I was thinking of making the same thing, but I'm very spoiled when it comes to planning builds and I figured I'd wait until Mids got an update for TW.

Running out of endurance is a huge issue for me, and I'm not sure I would even attempt this combo on SOs. With some solid building and a moderate budget for IOs, though, you could probably make it end stable without being forced to resort to incarnates. I play with lower level friends frequently, so my personal build philosophy is to make a build stable at a reasonable level (usually ~32 give or take) without incarnates/accolades.

Quick update: My TW/DA is level 18, and aside from the praetotian TOs, he has no enhancements. The Hydra tohit bonus is enough for now. I am already running at x4. Sure I need to keep a few spare blues around, but I'll take care of that later.

I kind of like the endurance bottoming out, though. The character has lung cancer, so it makes sense. So far, everything dies before my blue bar does, so it's not really a problem. Actually, it makes for a fun minigame. I might just keep the build as non-sustainable and instead just build only for damage and recharge bonuses.

With shifter and miracle and 1 end redux in my 4 attack powers, running all 3 shields and the cloak and the aura of Doooooooom on my DA, I am not having end problems at 28. I do not however have haste.

Color that jazz bright/dark purple and claim you are a holdover from the Dom world where they don't get the pretty toys.

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Originally Posted by MayorOfAngrytown That's how my spines/dark/blaze is built, mostly. Definitely a couple of considerations for endurance in the build, but it's really all about Ageless +rec. I wouldn't call it a "good" build per se, but it's definitely fun. I really want to do a TW/DA brute, but I've already done /DA as an "organic nano-swarm" and I'm stretching to find a concept other than yet another graveknight/dark lord/shadow master that isn't blatantly stealing your "Sand" look or someone else's "Water" look (saw a really good one in game). :lol: Was thinking maybe psi? What are some other interesting /DA ideas?

I think the lack of diversity is just because people are smart. Pairing it with WP is a really good idea, that's all. Some might be doing it for ease of use and how well it compliments the Momentum mechanic, end costs, or even because the older you get you find the motivation to stand out and be different to define yourself less compelling.

My wife went with electric and I haven't picked up the set yet, but elec sure seems like a good choice if you want a damage aura.

Yeah, WP is the set to take if you just don't want to think too hard about your secondary, and honestly I can understand that. You go Scrapper because you want to be hitting things in the face, not necessarily because you want to be able to take a punch. WP lets you focus the identity of your character on your offense. Super Reflexes is sort of the same, but it needs some care and attention to make sure you're not too squishy.

To be honest, if I didn't already have a beefed-out KM/WP Scrapper, my TW character probably would have been WP. But Energy Aura is working just fine so far.

I personally don't think willpower has a ton of synergy with TW, but it does work thematically and solves some problems.

For me, I took /WP as my secondary purely for theme reasons. My favorite secondaries in the game right now are /Energy and /Elec, but the character in question is already dead and supposed to heal off wounds, have crazy stamina (being dead, she doesn't produce lactic acid so she almost never gets tired) and even stand back up when "killed" again.

Willpower fits both of those criteria perfectly (even if i'll be a n00b for taking Resurgence for theme), so it was the main choice. I thought about Energy, but I'm not sure all the flashy, glowy effects would have worked with the theme.

As it stands, she just hit 32, so I'm debating dropping the +Def attack (name escapes me at the moment) once I get more slots in the final AoE since I'll have gobs of AoE KD for defense. No real problems leveling so far, and her first and only death was at 28 on Positron part 2, but that was only because we were running it with 7 melee ATs and a warshade.